Updated one Man’s opinion of top300 Twins-55 years of numbers

October 29, 2015 Nate Tubbs Rules 25 Comments

Looks like this is year 4 of putting my pet project on the WGOM site, SBG put it on his old site a few years before this. A little movement from last year. Joe still can't quite catch TonyO. Hunter moves up a spot over Jim Perry. Perkins and Dozier jump up in the top60, Plouffe joins the top100, and Sano/Rosario/Hicks/Pelfrey/Milone/Ervin are new to the list with Sano/Rosario/Gibson new to the top200.

I stole most of the idea from when Gleeman started his top40 list years ago (forever unfinished right?) The below quote is his, and the rest is an excerpt from a book I put together 5 years ago. Some of it is outdated, but I’ve updated the list and stats through 2015.

“The rankings only include time spent playing for the Minnesota Twins. In other words, David Ortiz doesn’t get credit for turning into one of the best players in baseball after joining the Red Sox and Paul Molitor doesn’t get credit for being one of the best players in baseball for the Brewers and Blue Jays. The Twins began playing on April 11, 1961, and that’s when these rankings start as well.”

I used a variety of factors, including longevity and peak value. Longevity included how many years the player was a Twin as well as how many plate appearances or innings pitched that player had in those years. For peak value, I looked at their stats, honors, and awards in their best seasons, as well as how they compared to their teammates. Did they lead their team in OPS or home runs or ERA for starters or WPA? If so, that got some bonus points. I factored in postseason heroics, awards (gold gloves, silver sluggers, MVPs, Cy Youngs), statistical achievements (batting titles, home run leaders, ERA champs, etc), and honors (all star appearances), and I looked at team success as well. If you were the #1 starter on a division winning champ, that gave you more points than the #1 starter on a cellar dweller. I looked at some of the advanced stats like WPA, WAR (as calculated by fan graphs and baseball-reference.com), WARP (as calculated by Baseball Prospectus), and Win Shares (as calculated by Bill James). For hitters, I also looked at OPS and the old school triple crown statistics like batting average, home runs, stolen bases, and RBI (and not only where you finished within the AL in any given year, but where you appear on the top25 lists amongst all Twins in the last 50 years). For pitchers I looked at strikeouts, innings pitched, win/loss percentage, ERA as well as ERA+). If there was a metric that was used for all 54 years of Twins history, I tried to incorporate it. I tended to give more credit to guys who were starters instead of part time/platoon players, more credit to position players over pitchers (just slightly, but probably unfairly) and starters over relievers (and closers over middle relievers). There’s no formula to my magic, just looking at a lot of factors and in the end going with the gut in all tie-breakers. Up in the top10 I’m looking at All star appearances, Cy Young and MVP votes, batting average or ERA titles or top10 finishes, etc, and placement in the top25 hitting and pitching lists in Twins history as well. In the middle 100s, it’s more about who started a few more years or had 2 good seasons rather than 1 with possibly an occasional all-star berth or top10 finish in SB or strikeouts. Once you’re in the latter half of the 200s there are none of those on anyone’s resume, so its basically just looking at peak season in OPS+ or ERA+, WAR, Win Shares, and who started the most years, had the most at bats, or pitched the most innings. What the player did as a coach, manager, or broadcaster is not taken into consideration for this list, so Billy Martin, Tom Kelly or Billy Gardner weren’t able to make the top 300 since they were poor players and Frank Quilici didn’t improve his status due to his managing career.

Rank	Player	AB or IP	YrS	ERA+ or OPS+	HR or W	ERA or AVG	fWAR	rWAR	WARP	WS	AS	Awards	Top 10 statistical finishes
1	Harmon Killebrew	6593	9	148	475	0.26	59.4	53.8	56	318	10	MVP: 11,3,4,10,15,4,2,1,3,21	AVG: 5 OPS: 4,2,2,4,2,3,2,4,10,10 R: 10,7,3,8,2,4,8 HR: 3,1,1,1,8,2,1,1,2,5,3 RBI: 6,1,3,3,2,2,1,4,1
2	Kirby Puckett	7244	12	124	207	0.318	44.5	50.8	51.2	281	10	6 GG, 6 SS, MVP: 21,6,3,3,7,7,2,7,21, ALCS MVP	AVG: 3,4,2,1,10,8,2 OPS 4,6,8 R: 2,5,4 HR: 6, RBI: 2,6,1
3	Rod Carew	6235	11	137	74	0.334	57	63.8	55.9	282	12	ROY, MVP: 10,14,4,7,9,5,1,11	AVG: 6,1,5,1,1,1,1,3,1,1 OPS: 4,4,3,2,1 R: 4,2,5,7,2,1 SB: 4,2,4,6
4	Tony Oliva	6301	11	131	220	0.304	40.8	43.1	48.6	245	8	ROY, 1 GG, MVP: 4,2,6,19,19,15,2,10	AVG: 1,1,2,8,3,3,3,1 OPS: 5,3,6,6,7,2 R: 1,2,2,9,8 HR: 6 RBI: 9,3,10,5,7,5 SB: 6
5	Joe Mauer	5425	10	129	119	0.313	46.2	47.8	44.2	262	6	3 GG, 4 SS, MVP: 6,4,1,8,19	AVG: 1,1,1,3,4,2 OPS 7,1,10, 9
6	Kent Hrbek	6192	13	128	293	0.282	37.2	38.2	31.6	230	1	MVP: 2, 16	AVG: 7,6 OPS: 5,8,7,7 HR: 3,10,10 RBI: 7
7	Johan Santana	1308	4	141	93	3.22	35.2	35.9	26.2	123	3	1 GG, CY: 7,1,3,1, 5, MVP: 6,7	ERA: 1,2,1,7 W: 2,5,1 IP: 2,2,1,6 K: 8,1,1,1,2
8	Jim Kaat	2959	13	112	189	3.28	55.1	37.9	32.6	185	2	12 GG, MVP: 5,20	ERA: 6,6 W: 6,8,3,1,6 IP: 2,10,4,1,4 K: 4,10,2,6
9	Bert Blyleven	2567	10	119	149	3.28	56.8	49.3	39.3	178	1	CY: 7,3, MVP: 26	ERA: 5,2,4,6,5 W: 7,5,6 IP: 9,5,4,7,1,4 K: 4,4,2,2,2,1,4,8
10	Frank Viola	1773	8	111	112	3.86	30.4	27.4	22.7	117	1	CY: 6,6,1, MVP: 10, WS MVP	ERA: 10,2,3 W: 4,3,9,8,1 IP: 5,8,9,10,6 K: 8,8,7,3
11	Bob Allison	3926	7	130	211	0.254	30.9	30.5	38.9	169	2	MVP: 15,23	OPS: 6,1,3,9,10 R: 3,1,9 HR: 7,8,3,6,9,7,8 RBI: 7,7,4
12	Brad Radke	2451	12	113	148	4.22	44.6	45.5	27.9	159	1	CY: 3, MVP 25	ERA: 4,4 W: 2 IP: 8,4,6,4,8,5 K: 7
13	Chuck Knoblauch	3939	7	114	43	0.304	33.2	37.8	21.3	161	4	ROY, 1 GG, 2 SS, MVP: 20,17,16	AVG: 2,4 R: 4,8,8,2,3 SB: 9,4,4,4,2
14	Justin Morneau	4749	8	121	221	0.278	19.9	23.3	15.8	156	4	2 SS, MVP: 1, 20, 2	AVG: 7 OPS: 8 HR: 5 RBI: 2,9,2
15	Torii Hunter	5013	9	103	214	0.268	23.4	26.2	22.1	149	2	7 GG, MVP: 21,6,21,15	HR: 7 RBI: 10 SB: 9,8,9
16	Jim Perry	1883	8	113	128	3.15	23.3	28.7	20.5	125	2	CY: 3, 1, MVP: 9,9	ERA: 8,4,8,8 W: 3,1 IP: 8,5 K: 10
17	Gary Gaetti	4990	9	99	201	0.256	25.5	26.9	27.4	146	2	4 GG, ALCS MVP, MVP: 16,10,22	OPS: 8,8 HR: 3,4 RBI: 5,7
18	Earl Battey	2762	6	109	76	0.278	18.3	14.3	17	114	4	2 GG, MVP: 7,10	AVG: 6,10 OPS: 9 HR: 9 RBI: 9
19	Zoilo Versalles	4148	7	88	86	0.252	16	15.2	16.6	119	2	2 GG, MVP: 21, 1	R: 4,1 SB: 8,7,3
20	Joe Nathan	463	6	204	24	2.16	15.2	18.4	11.7	95	4	CY: 4,5, MVP: 12,18	SAVES: 3,3,6,6,4,2
21	Rick Aguilera	694	9	130	40	3.5	13.9	15.5	8.8	101	3	MVP: 18	SAVES: 6,3,2,6,3,3,9,5
22	Camilo Pascual	1285	6	116	88	3.31	27.6	20.8	19.1	87	3	MVP: 15,12	ERA: 10,3 W: 6,2,2 IP: 5,4,8,4 K: 1,1,1,2
23	Cesar Tovar	4142	5	102	38	0.281	21.9	25.9	28.7	142	0	MVP: 7,23,17,18,24	AVG: 4 R: 3,3,7,2,2,5 SB: 10,6,3,3,6,7
24	Shane Mack	2161	5	130	67	0.309	17.7	19.6	21.8	92	0		AVG: 5,7 OPS 9,8 R: 7
25	Jack Morris	246	1	125	18	3.43	4.8	4.3	3.1	18	1	WS MVP, CY: 4	W: 4, IP: 3 K: 10
26	Roy Smalley	3997	9	104	110	0.262	20.5	20.7	19	128	1	MVP: 16
27	Mike Cuddyer	4072	6	111	141	0.272	13.1	12.2	12.3	117	1	MVP: 21	HR: 10
28	Corey Koskie	2788	6	115	101	0.28	22.7	22.1	21.2	108	0	MVP: 25
29	Tom Brunansky	3313	6	109	163	0.25	15.4	15.9	14.8	98	1		HR: 8,6,9
30	Brian Harper	2503	5	110	48	0.306	13.2	13.4	14.3	75	0		AVG: 9
31	Larry Hisle	2437	4	127	87	0.286	16	17.2	16.7	89	1	MVP: 12	OPS: 10 R: 10 HR: 10 RBI: 4,1
32	Dave Goltz	1638	6	112	96	3.48	28.1	24.5	9	104	0	CY: 6	ERA: 8,5 W: 1 IP: 2,7 K: 6,8
33	Eddie Guardado	705	3	105	37	4.55	7.2	9.5	7.8	72	2	MVP: 15	SAVES 1,2
34	Greg Gagne	3386	8	83	69	0.249	14.5	17.8	12.2	88	0
35	Kevin Tapani	1171	6	108	75	4.06	24.9	19.2	15.9	74	0	CY: 7	ERA: 7 W: 10,10,10 IP: 5
36	Jimmie Hall	1885	4	124	98	0.269	14.9	14.8	15.6	76	2	MVP: 13	AVG: 8 OPS: 6 R: 7,9 HR: 4 RBI: 6 SB: 10
37	Jacque Jones	3492	6	101	132	0.279	11.4	11.9	16.9	98	0
38	Rich Rollins	3048	5	101	71	0.272	13.3	11.9	14.5	83	1	MVP: 8,21	AVG: 10,3 R: 7 RBI: 9
39	Mudcat Grant	780	4	107	50	3.35	9	6.5	5.4	44	1	MVP: 6	W: 1 IP: 3,7
40	Matt Lawton	2672	5	107	72	0.277	9.2	11.3	12.6	87	1
41	Glen Perkins	616	6	110	35	3.81	8.1	8.8	6.3	61	3		SAVES: 9,6,8
42	Scott Erickson	979	5	104	61	4.22	14.2	12.7	3.7	56	1	CY: 2, MVP: 17	W: 1
43	Dave Boswell	1036	5	101	67	3.49	12.4	12.9	8.6	61	0		W: 10,3 IP: 9 K: 8,7,4
44	Al Worthington	473	5	134	37	2.62	5.3	9.7	6.7	62	0		SAVES 7,6,6,5,1
45	Dan Gladden	2470	5	90	38	0.268	4.2	5.5	10.1	57	0
46	Butch Wynegar	2746	5	89	37	0.254	14.9	15.1	11.6	82	2	MVP: 28
47	Chili Davis	978	2	135	41	0.282	5	5.2	6.3	36	0	MVP: 14	OPS: 7 HR: 8
48	Randy Bush	3045	5	102	96	0.251	1.4	1.4	5.8	76	0
49	Steve Braun	2429	3	116	35	0.284	14.8	15	14	86	0
50	Dean Chance	664	3	126	41	2.67	13.1	11.3	4.2	46	1	MVP: 13	ERA: 9 W: 3,8 IP: 1,2 K: 3,4
51	Lyman Bostock	1436	3	127	18	0.318	9.2	10.3	9	54	0	MVP: 27	AVG: 4,2 R: 4
52	Jason Kubel	2715	4	110	105	0.269	1.8	3.6	6.9	76	0	MVP: 24	RBI: 8
53	Jeff Reardon	226	3	116	15	3.7	3.6	4.2	3.6	36	1	CY: 8, MVP: 11,15	SAVES: 2,2,7
54	Leo Cardenas	1720	3	98	39	0.263	11.1	11.2	9.6	64	1	MVP: 12,21
55	Denard Span	2354	4	104	23	0.284	15	17.1	13.2	78	0		AVG: 9
56	Paul Molitor	1700	3	103	23	0.312	2.3	5.2	4.8	41	0	1 SS, MVP: 13	AVG: 3
57	Ron Perranoski	359	2	120	25	3	1.2	4.2	0	41	0	CY: 7, MVP: 13,12	SAVES 1,1
58	Scott Baker	958	5	102	63	4.15	17.6	16	12.1	56	0		ERA: 8 W: 10
59	Eric Milton	987	5	101	57	4.76	16.4	15	14.5	55	1		K: 9,10
60	Brian Dozier	2100	4	99	75	0.240	10.3	11.9	9.3	66	1		R: 2,5
61	Marty Cordova	2322	5	103	79	0.277	4.6	5.7	11.4	58	0	ROY
62	Bill Campbell	460	2	121	32	3.13	5.4	7.7	4.8	45	0	CY: 7, MVP: 8	W: 8 SAVES: 3,3
63	Don Mincher	1511	2	125	90	0.244	9.8	8.7	8.5	57	0
64	Jerry Koosman	601	3	115	39	3.77	12.1	11.1	7	44	0	CY: 6	ERA: 8 W: 3,10 IP: 4 K: 5,7
65	A.J. Pierzynski	1428	3	105	26	0.301	7.8	9.4	8.4	58	1		AVG: 8
66	John Castino	2320	5	96	41	0.278	12.5	15	14.3	70	0	ROY
67	Dan Ford	1999	4	114	57	0.272	5.2	6.8	6.2	57	0		R: 10 HR: 9
68	LaTroy Hawkins	819	5	95	44	5.05	10.4	8.1	6.7	50	0		SAVES: 8
69	Allan Anderson	818	4	102	49	4.11	9.5	8.6	5.6	43	0		ERA 1 W 8,6
70	Geoff Zahn	852	4	106	53	3.9	13	9	3.8	50	0		ERA: 9,10
71	Mike Marshall	274	2	141	21	2.99	4.7	6.8	2.1	37	0	CY: 7, 5, MVP: 11	SAVES: 4,1
72	Gary Ward	1543	3	115	51	0.285	9.1	10.5	11.4	48	1	MVP: 32
73	Shannon Stewart	1373	1	102	29	0.294	3.8	4.8	5.4	39	0	MVP: 4	AVG: 10
74	Doug Mientkiewicz	2147	5	103	43	0.275	6.5	6.4	4.1	62	0	1 GG, MVP: 14
75	Francisco Liriano	783	5	97	50	4.33	14.5	9.6	9	42	1	CY: 11	K: 5
76	Joe Mays	946	6	98	48	4.85	10.5	10.8	4.7	44	1		ERA: 3 W: 6 IP: 3
77	Rich Reese	1918	4	99	50	0.26	3.1	3.3	4.7	52	0	MVP: 29
78	Bobby Darwin	1817	3	107	70	0.257	4.9	5.3	2	46	0		HR: 7,4 RBI: 6,5
79	Carlos Silva	773	4	102	47	4.42	8.7	8.9	0	42	0		ERA 5, W: 8
80	Cristian Guzman	3277	6	76	39	0.266	4.4	7.5	8.2	76	1	MVP: 16	SB: 7
81	Mike Smithson	816	4	97	47	4.46	10.3	4.7	3.1	44	0		IP: 7,6 K: 10
82	Jim Merritt	686	2	112	37	3.03	11	11	7.3	44	0		ERA: 5 K: 9
83	Ron Coomer	2397	2	88	77	0.278	2.5	2.5	0.3	44	1
84	Mickey Hatcher	2366	3	89	26	0.284	2.7	3.6	4.3	47	0
85	Tim Laudner	2038	3	84	77	0.225	3.8	3.2	4.4	41	1
86	Gene Larkin	2321	2	98	32	0.266	1	1.5	3.1	54	0
87	Josh Willingham	1132	2	121	61	0.232	4.3	4.8	6.4	40	0	1 SS	HR: 7, OPS: 8, RBI: 3
88	Juan Berenguer	418	0	116	33	3.7	4.5	6.3	6.5	35	0
89	Juan Rincon	441	0	122	30	3.69	6.9	5.9	7	38	0
90	Delmon Young	1845	3	103	47	0.287	-0.3	0.9	1.5	48	0	MVP: 10	RBI: 5
91	David Ortiz	1477	4	107	58	0.266	2.1	2.6	3.5	37	0
92	Dick Stigman	643	3	101	37	3.69	4.1	5.9	3.5	33	0		W: 10 K: 3
93	Jack Kralick	510	2	111	26	3.74	9.6	8.2	6.2	31	0		IP: 8,7
94	Doug Corbett	246	2	170	10	2.49	4.3	8.3	1.5	37	1		SAVES: 6,4
95	Kyle Lohse	908	5	93	51	4.88	9.9	6.7	4.6	40	0
96	Trevor Plouffe	2319	4	99	84	0.245	5.8	7.7	4.3	57	0
97	Ken Landreaux	1048	2	105	22	0.294	0.9	1.8	2.7	29	1
98	Carl Pavano	579	2	95	33	4.32	8	6.2	2.4	28	0		W: 7, IP: 6
99	Ted Uhlaender	1846	4	87	23	0.262	2.5	3.2	5.1	50	0	MVP: 27	AVG: 5
100	Lenny Green	1514	2	98	27	0.268	5.7	5.2	8.1	48	0		R: 6 SB: 7
101	Vic Power	1197	2	89	26	0.278	2	1.7	1.6	25	0	2 GG, MVP: 21
102	Mike Trombley	645	2	104	30	4.53	5.8	7.5	6.2	45	0
103	Matt Guerrier	500	0	127	19	3.40	1.3	7.9	2.6	41	0
104	Pat Meares	2464	6	76	41	0.265	4.1	5.9	2.3	49	0
105	Pedro Munoz	1587	3	101	61	0.275	-0.8	-0.4	2.2	37	0
106	Mark Guthrie	489	2	103	29	4.19	7.6	4.5	8.1	30	0
107	Tom Johnson	273	1	116	23	3.39	2.9	3.2	3.2	24	0	MVP: 27	W: 9 SAVES: 7
108	John Smiley	241	1	126	16	3.21	5.5	5	2.7	18	0		ERA: 10 W: 10 IP: 8 K: 10
109	Dick Woodson	561	2	107	33	3.35	2.8	4.2	1.4	31	0
110	Eric Soderholm	1345	3	105	36	0.257	10	10.1	6.5	38	0
111	Tom Hall	455	2	122	25	3	7.2	6.8	6.4	34	0		K: 8
112	Jim Thome	482	2	159	37	0.266	3.7	4.5	3.8	23	0	MVP: 18
113	George Mitterwald	1578	4	88	50	0.239	6.5	6	6.4	49	0
114	Roger Erickson	712	4	101	31	4.1	10	7	4.8	33	0		ERA: 8 IP: 10
115	Phil Hughes	365	2	103	27	3.90	7.1	6.1	6.0	22	0		W: 4, IP: 10, K: 7
116	Nick Blackburn	818	5	86	43	4.85	5.1	3.2	-0.8	30	0
117	Ron Davis	381	4	95	19	4.51	3.3	0.1	5.4	39	0		SAVES: 5,3,5,7
118	Bernie Allen	1595	4	86	32	0.246	3	3.2	0.4	39	0
119	Lew Ford	1514	3	96	32	0.272	5.6	8.3	5.2	44	0	MVP: 24
120	Brian Duensing	649	1	100	41	4.13	5.6	6.3	4.7	37	0
121	Ken Schrom	494	3	99	29	4.34	4.4	3.4	0.7	26	0
122	Dave Engle	1371	3	94	28	0.268	2.8	3.9	3.6	29	1
123	Kevin Slowey	532	3	90	39	4.66	7.7	4.6	6.4	26	0
124	Tom Burgmeier	380	1	101	24	3.77	-0.2	3.2	1.1	26	0		SAVES: 8
125	Glenn Adams	1387	2	97	29	0.281	-1.5	-1	1.3	25	0
126	Ray Corbin	652	5	95	36	3.84	2.2	2.9	2	33	0		SAVES: 8
127	Rick Reed	390	3	101	25	4.47	5.1	3.7	3.2	21	0
128	Todd Walker	1374	2	92	23	0.285	0	1.8	2.7	31	0
129	Dave Winfield	841	2	100	31	0.264	-0.2	0.3	0.8	15	0
130	Terry Steinbach	1207	3	84	30	0.256	3.2	3.1	2.5	29	0
131	Danny Thompson	2022	5	71	14	0.251	2.5	2.4	-2	31	0	MVP: 23
132	Rob Wilfong	1591	3	85	22	0.262	4	5.3	3.6	46	0
133	Matt LeCroy	1321	3	98	58	0.261	0.6	0.4	1.7	34	0
134	Luis Rivas	1884	4	80	30	0.262	0.9	-0.9	-1.5	33	0		SB: 8
135	Albert Williams	642	3	99	35	4.24	5.9	6.4	-0.1	33	0
136	Pete Redfern	714	4	90	42	4.54	7.3	1.5	4.6	31	0
137	Mark Salas	663	2	102	20	0.279	2.7	2.7	3.2	19	0
138	John Butcher	502	2	96	24	4.48	7.2	2.5	0.7	25	0
139	Craig Kusick	1184	4	107	44	0.236	3.4	3.6	3.1	31	0
140	Tim Teufel	1080	2	103	27	0.265	5.3	5.5	2.8	33	0
141	Mike Cubbage	1681	3	97	29	0.266	5.9	6.9	7.3	46	0
142	Jason Bartlett	1087	2	87	10	0.271	7.9	8.9	8.6	35	0
143	Jesse Crain	382	0	128	33	3.42	2.8	5.5	2.1	36	0
144	Carl Willis	286	0	120	20	3.65	5.8	3.8	4.7	28	0
145	Bill Dailey	124	1	133	7	2.76	1	2.8	1.5	17	0	MVP: 23	SAVES: 3
146	Joe Decker	503	2	94	29	4.09	4.6	4.9	1	25	0
147	Bobby Castillo	402	2	107	23	3.98	3.9	4.3	1.1	23	0
148	Jim Hughes	441	2	88	25	4.3	2.9	0.8	-0.3	15	0
149	J.C. Romero	407	0	108	25	4.35	4.2	4.8	3.3	31	0
150	Scott Leius	1373	3	85	26	0.252	2.9	4.8	2.2	27	0
151	Eduardo Escobar	1051	2	95	21	0.262	3.2	3.5	1.2	30	0
152	Luis Castillo	933	2	92	3	0.299	3.5	3.7	1.3	25	0		SB: 9
153	Ron Jackson	1154	2	96	23	0.268	2.7	2.8	3.5	25	0
154	Rich Becker	1465	3	88	25	0.267	5	6.4	5.9	36	0
155	Lee Stange	351	1	105	20	3.61	1.8	2.5	3	18	0		ERA: 6
156	Bobby Kielty	631	0	116	23	0.269	3	3.9	3.4	25	0
157	Nick Punto	2365	3	74	12	0.248	11.1	10.2	4.2	52	0
158	Mike Pagliarulo	723	2	88	9	0.272	2.9	4	4.4	19	0
159	Danny Santana	666	1	96	7	.278	1.8	1.6	1.6	21	0
160	Danny Valencia	989	2	91	24	0.26	1.1	0.8	0.1	23	0
161	Steve Lombardozzi	1226	3	75	19	0.233	3.2	4	2.1	30	0
162	Miguel Sano	279	1	146	18	0.269	2.0	2.1	1.9	16	0
163	Jim Holt	1444	3	87	17	0.272	1.1	0.3	0.9	29	0
164	Kurt Suzuki	885	2	86	8	0.264	2.0	2.6	1.3	22	1
165	Johnny Roseboro	741	2	81	11	0.239	1.2	0.8	2.8	20	1
166	Al Newman	1647	1	59	0	0.231	-0.3	2.1	-2.2	30	0
167	Scott Stahoviak	1019	3	91	27	0.256	0.9	0.9	1.5	23	0
168	Dustan Mohr	782	2	91	22	0.258	2.4	2.5	3.2	18	0
169	Bob Randall	1325	3	74	1	0.257	2.3	3.8	0.4	29	0
170	Kenny Rogers	195	1	99	13	4.57	3.1	1.9	2.6	11	0
171	Steve Brye	1641	2	90	22	0.261	3.3	4.7	3.5	36	0
172	Ryan Doumit	969	2	104	32	0.261	1.5	1.9	3	19	0
173	Bombo Rivera	627	1	89	8	0.266	2.4	2.5	3.8	13	0
174	Johnny Klippstein	161	0	147	10	2.45	0.5	3.7	1.6	15	0
175	Stan Williams	191	0	129	14	2.87	0.2	1.9	-0.2	19	0		SAVES: 10
176	Hosken Powell	1468	3	83	13	0.261	1.1	2.2	4	27	0
177	Roy Smith	389	2	98	19	4.28	3.1	4	2.7	20	0
178	Darrell Jackson	411	2	97	20	4.38	4.5	3.1	2.7	20	0
179	Keith Atherton	235	1	111	19	3.91	1.1	2.6	2.3	20	0
180	Bill Pleis	280	0	95	21	4.07	0.3	-0.5	1.7	16	0
181	Jim Roland	244	1	103	10	3.42	-0.3	1.6	0.7	12	0
182	Brant Alyea	416	0	107	18	0.248	0.5	0.5	1	13	0
183	Mike Redmond	863	0	87	2	0.297	1.8	1.3	1.5	28	0
184	Ray Moore	159	2	83	13	4.9	-0.2	-0.1	1.5	12	0		SAVES: 4,7
185	Roberto Kelly	569	1	105	11	0.308	1.2	1.7	2	15	0
186	Alex Cole	424	1	106	5	0.304	1.4	2.2	2.1	13	0		SB: 6
187	Jose Morales	674	2	106	12	0.297	0.1	0.1	0.9	13	0
188	Bob Tewksbury	317	2	105	15	4.49	6.6	6.5	5.2	17	0
189	Ben Revere	989	2	80	0	0.278	4.5	3.2	0.4	20	0		SB: 7, 3
190	Orlando Hudson	497	1	96	6	0.268	3.1	2.7	1.8	14	0
191	Eddie Rosario	453	1	99	13	0.267	2.3	2.2	1.8	12	0
192	Bill Zepp	156	1	114	9	3.34	0.9	1.3	-1	9	0
193	Pedro Ramos	264	1	108	11	3.95	3.2	3.7	2.5	15	0		IP: 4 K: 6
194	John Moses	620	0	91	4	0.276	0.7	0.1	1	15	0
195	Greg Myers	494	1	90	11	0.279	1.8	1.7	1.3	9	0
196	Alexi Casilla	1566	4	73	11	0.248	1.8	3.6	0.6	31	0
197	Carlos Gomez	892	2	72	10	0.248	3.4	2.6	2.8	19	0		SB: 7
198	Glenn Borgmann	1207	2	79	14	0.229	5.3	5	2.6	37	0
199	Frank Rodriguez	509	3	94	25	5.2	6.3	2.1	3.8	20	0
200	Kyle Gibson	425	2	91	26	4.43	5.0	4.4	1.7	20	0
201	Scott Diamond	343	2	92	19	4.43	2.4	1.5	-0.2	13	0
202	Les Straker	237	1	105	10	4.22	2	3	1.2	13	0
203	Mark Redman	213	1	104	15	4.86	3.2	3.5	2.7	13	0
204	Dennis Hocking	2204	0	70	25	0.252	-2.8	0.4	-1	43	0
205	Ron Washington	1258	2	80	17	0.265	0.3	1.5	0.7	23	0
206	Bob Miller	191	0	120	5	2.91	1.3	2.9	0.2	12	0
207	Otis Nixon	448	1	85	1	0.297	-0.6	0.2	0.8	8	0		SB: 8
208	Brendan Harris	956	1	79	14	0.251	0.1	-0.6	1.8	19	0
209	Willie Norwood	854	1	79	18	0.242	-0.9	-1.2	-0.4	13	0
210	Boof Bonser	392	2	84	18	5.12	3.7	-0.3	2.7	11	0
211	Vic Albury	372	2	93	18	4.11	-0.4	1.6	0.7	16	0
212	Pat Mahomes	366	2	81	18	5.82	-0.3	-0.9	-1.1	12	0
213	Willie Banks	259	1	93	16	4.61	3.6	1.5	3	12	0
214	Fernando Arroyo	234	1	97	13	4.3	1.9	1.3	-0.8	10	0
215	Jim Lemon	457	1	90	15	0.249	0.3	-0.3	1	9	0
216	Luis Tiant	92	1	112	7	3.4	1	2	0.7	8	0
217	Pat Neshek	129	0	143	11	3.05	2	3	2.1	15	0
218	Terry Leach	149	0	126	3	3.38	2.6	2.6	2.4	11	0
219	J.J. Hardy	340	1	93	6	0.268	2.3	1.2	1.9	10	0
220	Dennys Reyes	126	0	204	10	2.14	1.5	4.3	0.5	16	0
221	Chad Allen	706	1	86	14	0.275	-0.9	-0.9	0.1	10	0
222	Jason Tyner	578	0	86	1	0.299	2.7	2.4	1.4	12	0
223	Jim Dwyer	329	1	112	6	0.289	0.8	0.8	1.7	9	0
224	Bob Wells	300	0	109	18	4.47	2	3.7	2.3	25	0
225	Pete Filson	323	0	108	14	3.98	1.4	3.3	1.8	22	0
226	Hector Carrasco	256	0	108	14	4.49	3	3.4	2.3	18	0
227	Tony Fiore	133	0	116	11	3.92	0.2	1.8	1	10	0
228	Greg Swindell	182	0	130	10	3.61	1.9	4.6	1.4	17	0
229	Chip Hale	563	0	89	6	0.281	1	1.6	1.6	13	0
230	Dave Hollins	422	1	92	13	0.242	2.2	3.1	3.3	11	0
231	Sam Deduno	279	1	95	16	4.26	.9	2.5	-0.7	14	0
232	Brian Buchanan	414	0	93	16	0.258	-0.2	0.3	0.8	6	0
233	Joe Crede	333	1	83	15	0.225	1.6	2.3	1.4	6	0
234	Frank Quilici	682	0	61	5	0.214	-0.2	-0.4	-0.6	13	0
235	Junior Ortiz	304	0	85	0	0.28	1.6	1.7	0.4	9	0
236	Casey Fien	223	0	115	16	3.54	3.2	3.0	3.4	20	0
237	Jose Mijares	153	0	133	3	3.16	1	3.1	1.1	12	0
238	Wayne Granger	89	1	108	4	3.01	-0.1	-0.9	-1.3	8	0		SAVES: 4
239	David West	285	1	79	15	5.33	0.9	0.1	0.2	7	0
240	Brad Havens	367	2	84	18	5	3.4	0.3	2.1	14	0
241	Bill Singer	172	1	96	9	3.77	1.4	0.4	-0.2	7	0
242	Bill Krueger	161	1	94	10	4.3	2.1	1	1.7	8	0
243	Bill Hands	257	1	99	11	3.92	3.6	2.2	1.1	13	0
244	Jeff Reboulet	1016	0	74	9	0.248	4.1	5.9	2.4	26	0
245	Oswaldo Arcia	781	2	104	36	0.243	0.1	-0.4	1.3	18	0
246	Phil Roof	619	0	75	13	0.228	2.4	2.2	0.6	17	0
247	Jerry Terrell	1437	0	70	3	0.259	0.2	1	-0.9	22	0
248	Tom Edens	109	0	129	8	3.21	2.3	2.1	2.2	10	0
249	Jared Burton	192	0	117	8	3.47	1.8	1.8	1.9	17	0
250	Rick Renick	553	0	89	20	0.221	0.8	0.6	1.1	10	0
251	Matt Capps	122	1	113	7	3.61	0.3	2	-0.1	17	0
252	Travis Miller	267	0	98	7	5.05	3	1.2	3.2	13	0
253	Gary Wayne	170	0	121	8	3.44	1.1	2.5	1.8	13	0
254	Jon Rauch	73	1	150	8	2.82	1.6	2	1.4	12	0
255	Larry Casian	144	0	95	9	4.73	0.7	0.6	0.9	10	0
256	Rich Robertson	385	2	95	17	5.17	2.8	1.7	0.8	14	0
257	Aaron Hicks	819	2	80	20	0.225	2.2	2.2	2.4	19	0
258	Jim Deshaies	297	2	80	17	5.71	1.3	1.5	1.3	10	0
259	Johnny Briggs	264	0	106	7	0.231	1.4	1.7	1.9	9	0
260	Don Lee	167	1	110	6	3.83	0.7	2.3	1.1	10	0
261	Kevin Correia	314	2	90	14	4.49	2.2	1.6	1.6	12	0
262	Terry Mulholland	182	1	95	5	4.89	0.9	0.9	-0.3	7	0
263	Tom Herr	304	0	89	1	0.263	1.1	1.4	0.9	7	0
264	Orlando Cabrera	242	1	94	5	0.289	0.7	-0.1	1.3	5	0
265	Jamey Carroll	661	0	76	1	0.257	1.5	3.1	0.5	16	0
266	Johnny Goryl	290	0	87	11	0.221	1.1	1	0.6	7	0
267	Brian Buscher	436	1	88	8	0.266	0.1	0.5	0.9	13	0
268	Neal Heaton	124	1	108	4	3.98	0.9	1.8	0.3	7	0
269	Mike Morgan	98	1	137	4	3.49	1.2	3.8	0.7	8	0
270	Anthony Swarzak	439	0	91	16	4.48	1.9	2.4	1.7	17	0
271	Randy Johnson	234	1	101	10	0.248	0	-0.1	0.4	5	0
272	George Frazier	108	0	94	6	4.83	0.5	0.3	0.4	7	0
273	Dave LaRoche	95	0	114	5	2.83	-0.1	1.2	0.8	8	0
274	Gary Serum	271	1	85	10	4.72	2.8	1.5	1.1	9	0
275	Bobby Mitchell	606	1	78	3	0.244	0.8	1.3	1.5	12	0
276	Chris Parmelee	812	0	96	24	0.249	0.5	0.5	-0.4	13	0
277	Mike Jackson	55	0	137	2	3.27	0.5	1.2	0.6	5	0
278	John Candelaria	58	0	124	7	3.39	0.6	1.3	0.7	7	0
279	Steve Bedrosian	77	0	97	5	4.42	-0.5	0	-0.1	5	0
280	Pete Cimino	65	0	127	2	2.88	0.6	0.5	0.8	5	0
281	Rick Lysander	242	0	105	9	4.08	2.7	0.2	1.1	14	0
282	Paul Thormodsgard	285	1	85	12	4.74	2.9	0.5	0.3	10	0
283	Danny Goodwin	425	1	85	8	0.242	-0.9	-1.3	-0.5	6	0
284	Darrell Brown	569	1	70	1	0.272	-0.3	0.1	-0.2	8	0
285	Tom Prince	361	0	77	13	0.219	1.9	1.7	1.3	12	0
286	Lenny Webster	284	0	89	5	0.254	0.9	1.1	1.4	6	0
287	Mike Pelfrey	341	2	83	11	4.94	3.5	0.4	2.4	10	0
288	Freddie Toliver	143	1	83	8	4.95	2	0.4	1.3	6	0
289	Mark Portugal	238	1	84	11	5.13	0.6	0.7	0.4	11	0
290	Tommy Milone	150	1	94	9	4.37	1.3	0.7	1.1	8	0
291	Joe Bonikowski	99	1	106	5	3.88	1.1	1.1	0.4	6	0
292	Matt Garza	133	1	98	8	4.47	2	0.8	2	6	0
293	Ervin Santana	108	1	104	7	4.00	1.4	1.6	1.1	7	0
294	Ron Schueler	134	1	92	8	4.41	-0.1	0.1	-0.2	7	0
295	Rick Sofield	612	1	70	9	0.243	-0.5	-0.8	0.5	11	0
296	Juan Castro	428	1	64	6	0.248	0.7	0.3	0.8	10	0
297	Brent Gates	639	1	69	6	0.252	0.2	0.9	-0.5	12	0
298	Graig Nettles	304	0	99	12	0.224	1.5	1.1	1.2	8	0
299	Jim Nettles	423	0	84	10	0.225	1.4	1.2	1.1	10	0
300	Dave Edwards	473	0	82	11	0.249	1	0.8	1	10	0

25 thoughts on “Updated one Man’s opinion of top300 Twins-55 years of numbers”

sean says:

October 29, 2015 at 12:28 pm

Always a pleasure to see this each year. A couple questions/observations:

* Why Oliva over Mauer? You mention Mauer not quite catching Oliva so I'm curious if there is a particular reason or a combination of many small things.

* Kind of surprised by Rosario starting higher than Gibson.
1. Rhubarb_Runner says:
  
  October 29, 2015 at 2:14 pm
  
  YOU NEVER SAW HIM PLAY
Nate Tubbs Rules says:

October 29, 2015 at 12:42 pm

I feel like Mauer has been on the cusp of catching TonyO for 2 years now and just needs one more decent season to do it (and neither 2014 nor 2015 seem decent enough to count). Up in the top5, it takes more than just 1 replacement level type year to move up a spot wheras Suzuki moved up 30 spots with a mediocre year just by adding some longevity to his resume.

I do probably favor hitters over pitchers a little more than most and it shows in Rosario vs Gibson. One of Gibson's issues is his terrible 2013 numbers dragging down his overall numbers a little. Rosario doesn't have that....yet.
Jeff A says:

October 29, 2015 at 1:25 pm

I was thinking the other day about whether Hunter would be in the all-time Twins outfield. Obviously Puckett and Oliva go first, but then it came down to Hunter and Bob Allison. I went with Allison, and I'm pleased to see that you apparently would, too.
1. Beau says:
  
  October 29, 2015 at 2:04 pm
  
  Don't fret too much about it. Buxton will replace Allison soon enough
  1. Jeff A says:
    
    October 29, 2015 at 2:09 pm
    
    It would be great if he did some day, but it's going to take him a while.
  2. SBG says:
    
    October 30, 2015 at 3:39 am
    
    Dare I say that Buxton will make forget about Allison?
    1. Rhubarb_Runner says:
      
      October 30, 2015 at 6:27 am
      
      #18
2. CarterHayes says:
  
  October 29, 2015 at 5:40 pm
  
  You could pull a Sam Mele and play Killebrew in LF to get Hrbek & Gaetti in the lineup. If DH is an option for Harmon, Allison is definitely the better choice over Hunter - at least in terms of performance while with the Twins.
  1. Jeff A says:
    
    October 29, 2015 at 6:37 pm
    
    It would also be nice if we could move Knoblauch to shortstop so we could play both him and Carew. The difference, of course, is that Killebrew actually played a significant number of games in left (471), while Knoblauch only played 13 games at short and only started there twice.
Can of Corn says:

October 29, 2015 at 1:27 pm

I'm with sean - This is great.

Is Danny Santana the list's highest rookie debut?
1. Nate Tubbs Rules says:
  
  October 29, 2015 at 2:20 pm
  
  Interesting question. I've only been working on the list for 10 years. I know Jim Thome after 1 year was already in the top150. And Jack Morris only has one year and I have him at #25. But if you're saying only "rookies" than I'm guessing Santana had the highest starting point (he actually did not move up this year, actually dropped a spot with Escobar passing him). But if I was updating the list back when we were winning ROYs in 1979 and 1995 and 1967 and 1964 I'm guessing those rookies would have started higher.
  1. CarterHayes says:
    
    October 29, 2015 at 5:41 pm
    
    But if I was updating the list back when we were winning ROYs in 1979 and 1995 and 1967 and 1964 I'm guessing those rookies would have started higher.
    
    And 1991...
Philosofer says:

October 29, 2015 at 1:28 pm

This is cool. Thanks.
Rhubarb_Runner says:

October 29, 2015 at 2:16 pm

I wish there was some way to weight the rankings and cumulatively rate each Twins season by the players on the team (regardless of their performance in that season). Also would be nice to see current Twins in bold. Or, it would be nice if I shut up and enjoyed the list as-is.
1. Nate Tubbs Rules says:
  
  October 29, 2015 at 2:35 pm
  
  I've often thought of that in the "which team had the most highly ranked Twins on it". I know 2004 had Mauer/Morneau/Cuddyer/Koskie/Santana/Radke/Nathan/Hunter/Jones (9 of the top40). The 1970 team had Harmon, Carew, Oliva, Allison, Kaat, Bert, Perry (7 of the top16). Kind of depends on where you want to set the bar (top25, top50, top100) to see which team had the "best Twins on it"
  
  For reference: 2015 Twins ratings last year
  Mauer 5
  Hunter 16
  Perkins 81
  Dozier 94
  Duensing 119
  Hughes 125
  Plouffe 149
  Santana 158
  Suzuki 190
  Fien 233
  Arcia 241
  Escobar 260
  Gibson 287
freealonzo says:

October 29, 2015 at 9:15 pm

Who dropped off the list this year?
1. Nate Tubbs Rules says:
  
  October 29, 2015 at 9:47 pm
  
  Jack O'Connor
  Len Whitehouse
  Paul Ratliff
  Dave Stevens
  John Verhoeven
  Gerry Arrigo
  
  Not exactly a murderers row of ex-Twins
  1. The Dread Pirate says:
    
    October 31, 2015 at 8:57 am
    
    But, if iirc, a murderer of a dugout phone
meat says:

October 30, 2015 at 9:51 am

Holy smokes, seeing this list always reminds me of how great Killebrew was.
1. SBG says:
  
  October 30, 2015 at 10:18 am
  
  and doesn't include his Washington days.
2. Nate Tubbs Rules says:
  
  October 30, 2015 at 11:01 am
  
  We've rightfully gone ga-ga over Sano's 300+ plate appearances, but the Killer has a better OPS+ in his 8000+ Twins PA (which includes the decline stage)
  
  Puck had the hype, Carew had the cool, the Killer could just flat out mash.
  1. New Britain Bo says:
    
    November 1, 2015 at 3:56 pm
    
    Don't try to spooky Mauer over Oliva. Don't. Just sayin.
  2. Rhubarb_Runner says:
    
    November 1, 2015 at 4:28 pm
    
    I'm fine putting Rod over Puck though
    1. Nate Tubbs Rules says:
      
      November 2, 2015 at 9:49 am
      
      Rod clearly has the numbers over Puck although both Bill James and B-Prospectus think it's a lot closer than FG and B-ref. But flags fly forever, and Puck was pretty big in 87/91.

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25 thoughts on “Updated one Man’s opinion of top300 Twins-55 years of numbers”

Remodeled basement. Same half-baked taste.