I thought we were supposed to have AAA starting pitchers yesterday?
Today my supervisor is announcing his retirement effective in January. I am the most logical replacement however, being a big University, there will be a search committee and office politics will definitely rear its ugly head. I'd love to get the job. Besides the 25 percent pay bump, I would be a Director and in line for further promotions in the future. Although I know I will be strongly considered, I am worried that other candidates may crop up. Lots of retirements here at the U, especially where I work. Besides my boss, my boss' boss is also leaving in January as is my boss' boss' boss sometime in 2012. That means lots of staff people are unsure where they stand or who they will be working for, and under what type of organization. I am sure some of those staffers will look at this position as a nice landing spot. I feel like I have a pretty good chance at the job and am really excited. However if I don't get it, besides being disappointed, I will wonder really what is my future here and are there opportunities for advancement.
I'll let you know how it goes, should be a decision in the late Fall.
Good luck, free. When I worked at a larger school (not quite like the U, obviously), the bureaucracy was unbelievable and advancement was only given to the incompetent. When I worked at a smaller school, there was no advancement because there were no openings.
Here's to your eventual advancement, whether here or there. I hope you get a shot, bureaucracy be damned!
Good luck to you!
Best of luck, free.
Good luck, free. I know those chances to move up in the workplace can be a bit of a PITA.
My sympathies.
I have been "acting" director of my bureau for five months now. but I am dependent on the governor.
Hopefully, you didn't take lessons from the previous governor.
Nicely done.
best o' luck, cutty.
I may have an extra ticket to tomorrow's day game.
Most of my office is going, but they over-bought tickets, and they're offering out the extras.
Beau had to drop out.
I'll find out later today if I get one.
Any takers?
Attention Rhu-Ru! The new They Might Be Giants album available for $3.99 download today on the Amazons.
Yep, got the Facebook alert this morning - thanks. btw, hilarious winner of the user-submitted video contest for "Can't Keep Johnny Down":
httpv://youtu.be/r2nEXHvzwW4
(I'd like cheaptoy's ruling on the beard)
As Mrs. Hayes said when I showed her that, "Jim mashed the tater so hard, Delmon was opening his mouth the receive the flavors."
a new gif idea
TJ has only written a couple of stories on this date over the past 15 years. From his archives:
-last year he said it was unclear if Brian Duensing would take the rotation spot of "Scott Baker (sore elbow), Nick Blackburn (high ERA) or Kevin Slowey (he's hurting my ears)." To quote Norm MacDonald, "Wait... What?!"
-eight years ago yesterday was one of the more memorable Torii Hunter catches. With the tying run on second base and two outs in the ninth, Ramon Hernandez lined a ball to right-center field. "Hunter broke with the crack of the bat, sprinted into the gap, dived headlong, scooped the ball just before it hit the turf, and slid to a stop on his belly." What I remember most was Hernandez's reaction. He was on his way to second base when Hunter caught the ball to end the game. He then slammed his helmet to the ground so hard that parts of it shattered. TJ explained, "When Hunter caught it, Hernandez smashed his helmet on the ground, busting the foam out of it; Hunter rose and spiked the ball; and Guardado leaped in disbelief."
Oh, I had forgotten about that play. Sweet.
Yeah, that was the second game of the second half. The Twins scored five in the first inning of Shannon Stewart's first game the before despite Stewart making two outs in the inning. They blooped and flared Tim Hudson to death. Blowing a lead in the ninth the next day could have ruined any "momentum" from the first game, but instead the Twins went on to sweep that series and had a memorable second-half run. Of Torii's best catches, people tend to remember his ones at the wall, but I think that one was my all-time favorite given the circumstances.
Third "Monday" Movie Day is scheduled for tomorrow. Would you believe that I didn't want to compete with the doubleheader? Or, perhaps, is the truth a little less baked than that?
At any rate, it'll be tomorrow.
Would you believe that I didn't want to compete with the doubleheader?
That's totally why I didn't put up a soccer post yesterday. Yeah, that's it.
It would be more baked if the Twins didn't also play a day game tomorrow.
Oh, for the love. What's with all these day games?!
Maybe I should have put it up half an hour ago when I finished it. Oh well.
Or now!
Alright, fine. I'll put up Movie Day now, and hopefully not everyone has finished their WGOM-ing day until the game starts.
Psh, we're done WGOMing when the content runs out.
Yesterday during the broadcast, Dick mentioned that opposing runners used to be unable to stop at second base when the Metrodome first opened. He said that Kent Hrbek would trail the runner knowing about the weird spot on the turf and "at least a dozen times" caught a runner for an out after a double. I had never heard about these plays before, so I thought I would do some digging.
The only play from 1982 I found was this fifth inning double with the notation "[Lamar] Johnson took a wide turn" but Hrbek was not involved in the play. This play in 1983 seems to fit. Oh, and just over a week later there is this play to end the first inning. I'll keep digging if I have time, but this story might just come close to checking out.
I remember Hrbek trailing on plays like that.
I found a much better way of running my search and can safely say that those three plays seem to be the only time they caught a running stumbling around second base. By the way, Gary Ward had a ridiculous number of assists in 1983 for an outfielder.
By my recollection, I think Dick said "at least a half-dozen times," which would fit a lot closer to three.
Should Bert's # be a twins retired number? Go.
No, too many numbers are getting retired. He gave the crowd the finger during his first trip here and he wasn't the ace on his second.
I think going into the Hall as a Twin makes any anti-number-retirement discussion irrelevant. It was going to happen. If there were more Twins in the Hall already, perhaps this wouldn't have been such an inevitability.
Circle my number.
No, too many numbers are getting retired.
I wonder about this re: the Yankees. After they retire Cap'n Dreamboat, a-rod, and the douche's numbers they'll have to start issuing triple digits to their rookies.
the manager and coaches can go numberless and give them to the players
According to bWAR, he's the best pitcher the Twins have ever had, 4 Wins better than Radke.
According to fWAR, he's the fourth best pitcher the Twins have had, after Radke, Johan, and Viola. 14 wins behind Radke.
Oh, wait, that only goes back to 1974. If we add his bWAR from his first four years, that's another 22 wins and he's 8 ahead of Radke.
Those measures put him in the same level as Killer, Puck, Oliva, and Carew. And above Hrbek
When I saw you saying "best pitcher the Twins ever had", I thought for sure that you'd be talking about Chuck James.
That's dreamiest. And I'm not sure they ever had him.
Based on him going into the Hall as a Twin, him being a key member of the first WS championship and him being a fan favorite as a broadcaster, I have no problem with it.
Yeah, I essentially agree, although I'd be in favor of changing "retired numbers" into "retired jerseys."
So, just keep going on not using the numbers of the jerseys you've retired, but down the road when, let's say as I pick a team completely at random, the Yankees run out of numbers, they can go back to using some of those that are part of retired jerseys.
As the stat heads are picking up steam, I can't see hexidecimal as being ruled out...
Didn't Pele wear a backwards 7? We could use that. And Prince's "The Artist" symbol. Maybe we're good for a while.
don't forget pi and e. Mmmmm, pie.
They might have enough available in the real numbers.
Do you REALLY want to see our broadcasters' reaction to that?
I could definitely get behind hexidecimal uni numbers.
Interesting thought on numbers vs. jerseys. Perhaps retire the number only if the player didn't wear his name on his jersey, otherwise retire the name/number combo.
More to the point, though, I think teams should limit how many numbers they retire to some arbitrary ceiling and then when the reach the ceiling, a number has to be re-activated for another to be retired. One particular arbitrary ceiling could be one retired number per decade. That would put the Twins at five of a max five numbers retired, and if you wanted to retire Blyleven, you'd have to re-activate Killer, Carew, Oliva, Hrbek, or Puckett. Or, you could wait until 2020 when a sixth retired number slot would open up and you could evaluate Blyleven vs. the field.
If I wanted to pick a fight, I'd start with Blyleven vs. Hrbek. Does having your entire career with the Twins make up a 10-bWAR difference? Best pitcher vs. second-best first basemen?
Also, two rings vs. one and hometown boys vs. SoCal math.
I would just say limit "retirement" of jerseys to a generation. I mean, does anyone really give a rat's @ss about most of the Celtics' retired numbers? Most of the Yankmees?
No NHL player would want to go to Edmonton and wear 99. No NBA player would want to go to Chicago and wear 23, or to LA to wear 33 or 32.
But eventually, those associations will fade. Take a number out of circulation for 30 or 40 years, then quietly bring it back into play.
Maybe not most of the Yankees, but say, Ruth's number ought to stay retired, imo. That's why I think it makes the most sense to set a limit and just agree that someone has to come out of the pool to put another number in. Under that system, Ruth would never be voted out, but it wouldn't be hard to see Dickey's and Berra's #8 unretired since neither is iconically associated with their number.
Also, in the day of 24x7 news on everything, I don't think bringing a number back into play could be done quietly. Might as well have a process for figuring out how to bring it back.
The Yankees have 15 retired numbers and only 11 full decades of existence. Time to bring back four numbers. Off the top of my head, I'd say Martin, Rizzuto, Mattingly, and Munson.
Sure, I agree in principle on a handful of all-time, pantheon-level greats, like Ruth. And I'm sure you are right that re-introduction couldn't be done quietly. But after a generation or so, almost no one will care if a number is reintroduced, other than (perhaps) the player's children/grandchildren.
So, bring the player's family in for a big reintroduction event. Have a "Bill Dickey/Yogi Berra" day, complete with bobbleheads, and reintroduce the number to a new generation while honoring the former, long-dead (or at least long-retired) wearer.
Having a reintroduction event could definitely work, if done right.
Bert's number being retired is fine by me. Getting into Cooperstown pretty much makes that automatic in my mind
unless Morneau or Mauer stay healthy and bring the Twins a World Series Championship, I really dont see any other Twins to get a number retired in the few years. Tom Kelly or Ron Gardenhire maybe
Mauer's number will be retired. I don't want to think of a scenario where that doesn't happen.
Mauer's number will not be retired. It will simply ascend to heaven at some point.
After his five run homer for 35,000 hits.
Alternate Scenario: The team is renamed the Mauers or Sevens.
Looking at those bWAR and fWAR lists, Mauer's pretty close to the Hrbek line already.
fWAR has Mauer eighth behind the retired five, Hrbek lowest at 42, then Bob Allison at 38, Knoblauch at 36, and Mauer at 34.
bWAR has Mauer fifth with 39, behind Oliva with 42, but ahead of Hrbek with 35.
Yes. The Twins aren't at the point where they can not retire a number of a HOFer. Plus, if they don't do it, we'd have to hear Bert campaign for it for the next 10+ years.
They also have no retired numbers for pitchers, so it's not like they've been especially lax in their standards for retiring pitchers' numbers.
It's borderline for me, but the fact that he's going to be wearing a Twins hat in the HoF, combined with the fact that he's for better or worse been the color commentator for the team for going on a decade, I say 'yes'.
Obviously meant to nest under Yickit's question.
Mo chailín had her wisdom teeth out today, so I took a half day to get her home and settled. So now I'm drinking Grain Belt, eating pizza, and watching Ricky Gervais' stand-up instead of working. And it's not even my teeth getting yanked as I've already done that. All the benefits, none of the problems.
I had a bout at the dentist today, too. Nothing as severe as extractions, just a crown prep. Hope she's feeling better soon.
@ cheaptoy -
The Eagle has landed safely. I'll let you know when I get your return out (hopefully soon).
Dayum, that was fast.
Sean, after all your help yesterday, there was a problem with the new file tonight. Any change you, or someone else more savvy than I, can do the same thing with this file (the number should be 12 and the size is considerably smaller)? If the problem isn't resolved by the Commissioner, we're going back to the old game (OOTP 11 rather than 12) for another season while he tries to figure it out so this should be the last time.
Alomar played five seasons with the Blue Jays, including the World Series championship teams of 1992-93. He was named to the American League All-Star team and won a Gold Glove in each of his seasons with Toronto, from 1991-95.
He played 5 seasons in Toronto (ages 23-27). Sure, he was elected to the HOF and spent longer in Toronto than anywhere else. But 5 seasons ain't that long. I'm surprised, particularly since he is Toronto's first.
I meant to link to this earlier, as it came up on the perfect day.
I'm glad for Alomar - for whatever reason he kept bouncing around, so I assumed he'd never get this opportunity - but yeah, his contributions to any one team probably don't warrant a number retirement.
On top of the HOF, though, you've got those two world championships, and he was the face of those teams. I'm not too surprised.
So long as the Indians and Orioles don't also retire his number.
Tenth on the club with 22.
Between Devon White and Fred McGriff.
22 fWAR.
Seventh with bWAR of 20, between Olerud and Devon White.
I thought we were supposed to have AAA starting pitchers yesterday?
Today my supervisor is announcing his retirement effective in January. I am the most logical replacement however, being a big University, there will be a search committee and office politics will definitely rear its ugly head. I'd love to get the job. Besides the 25 percent pay bump, I would be a Director and in line for further promotions in the future. Although I know I will be strongly considered, I am worried that other candidates may crop up. Lots of retirements here at the U, especially where I work. Besides my boss, my boss' boss is also leaving in January as is my boss' boss' boss sometime in 2012. That means lots of staff people are unsure where they stand or who they will be working for, and under what type of organization. I am sure some of those staffers will look at this position as a nice landing spot. I feel like I have a pretty good chance at the job and am really excited. However if I don't get it, besides being disappointed, I will wonder really what is my future here and are there opportunities for advancement.
I'll let you know how it goes, should be a decision in the late Fall.
Good luck, free. When I worked at a larger school (not quite like the U, obviously), the bureaucracy was unbelievable and advancement was only given to the incompetent. When I worked at a smaller school, there was no advancement because there were no openings.
Here's to your eventual advancement, whether here or there. I hope you get a shot, bureaucracy be damned!
Good luck to you!
Best of luck, free.
Good luck, free. I know those chances to move up in the workplace can be a bit of a PITA.
My sympathies.
I have been "acting" director of my bureau for five months now. but I am dependent on the governor.
Hopefully, you didn't take lessons from the previous governor.
Nicely done.
best o' luck, cutty.
I may have an extra ticket to tomorrow's day game.
Most of my office is going, but they over-bought tickets, and they're offering out the extras.
Beau had to drop out.
I'll find out later today if I get one.
Any takers?
Attention Rhu-Ru! The new They Might Be Giants album available for $3.99 download today on the Amazons.
Yep, got the Facebook alert this morning - thanks. btw, hilarious winner of the user-submitted video contest for "Can't Keep Johnny Down":
httpv://youtu.be/r2nEXHvzwW4
(I'd like cheaptoy's ruling on the beard)
That was great!
Delmon, immortalized by the mighty GIF
Missed it by that much.
it cannot be posted enough
As Mrs. Hayes said when I showed her that, "Jim mashed the tater so hard, Delmon was opening his mouth the receive the flavors."
a new gif idea
TJ has only written a couple of stories on this date over the past 15 years. From his archives:
-last year he said it was unclear if Brian Duensing would take the rotation spot of "Scott Baker (sore elbow), Nick Blackburn (high ERA) or Kevin Slowey (he's hurting my ears)." To quote Norm MacDonald, "Wait... What?!"
-eight years ago yesterday was one of the more memorable Torii Hunter catches. With the tying run on second base and two outs in the ninth, Ramon Hernandez lined a ball to right-center field. "Hunter broke with the crack of the bat, sprinted into the gap, dived headlong, scooped the ball just before it hit the turf, and slid to a stop on his belly." What I remember most was Hernandez's reaction. He was on his way to second base when Hunter caught the ball to end the game. He then slammed his helmet to the ground so hard that parts of it shattered. TJ explained, "When Hunter caught it, Hernandez smashed his helmet on the ground, busting the foam out of it; Hunter rose and spiked the ball; and Guardado leaped in disbelief."
Oh, I had forgotten about that play. Sweet.
Yeah, that was the second game of the second half. The Twins scored five in the first inning of Shannon Stewart's first game the before despite Stewart making two outs in the inning. They blooped and flared Tim Hudson to death. Blowing a lead in the ninth the next day could have ruined any "momentum" from the first game, but instead the Twins went on to sweep that series and had a memorable second-half run. Of Torii's best catches, people tend to remember his ones at the wall, but I think that one was my all-time favorite given the circumstances.
Third "Monday" Movie Day is scheduled for tomorrow. Would you believe that I didn't want to compete with the doubleheader? Or, perhaps, is the truth a little less baked than that?
At any rate, it'll be tomorrow.
Would you believe that I didn't want to compete with the doubleheader?
That's totally why I didn't put up a soccer post yesterday. Yeah, that's it.
It would be more baked if the Twins didn't also play a day game tomorrow.
Oh, for the love. What's with all these day games?!
Maybe I should have put it up half an hour ago when I finished it. Oh well.
Or now!
Alright, fine. I'll put up Movie Day now, and hopefully not everyone has finished their WGOM-ing day until the game starts.
Psh, we're done WGOMing when the content runs out.
Yesterday during the broadcast, Dick mentioned that opposing runners used to be unable to stop at second base when the Metrodome first opened. He said that Kent Hrbek would trail the runner knowing about the weird spot on the turf and "at least a dozen times" caught a runner for an out after a double. I had never heard about these plays before, so I thought I would do some digging.
The only play from 1982 I found was this fifth inning double with the notation "[Lamar] Johnson took a wide turn" but Hrbek was not involved in the play. This play in 1983 seems to fit. Oh, and just over a week later there is this play to end the first inning. I'll keep digging if I have time, but this story might just come close to checking out.
I remember Hrbek trailing on plays like that.
I found a much better way of running my search and can safely say that those three plays seem to be the only time they caught a running stumbling around second base. By the way, Gary Ward had a ridiculous number of assists in 1983 for an outfielder.
By my recollection, I think Dick said "at least a half-dozen times," which would fit a lot closer to three.
Should Bert's # be a twins retired number? Go.
No, too many numbers are getting retired. He gave the crowd the finger during his first trip here and he wasn't the ace on his second.
I think going into the Hall as a Twin makes any anti-number-retirement discussion irrelevant. It was going to happen. If there were more Twins in the Hall already, perhaps this wouldn't have been such an inevitability.
Circle my number.
No, too many numbers are getting retired.
I wonder about this re: the Yankees. After they retire Cap'n Dreamboat, a-rod, and the douche's numbers they'll have to start issuing triple digits to their rookies.
the manager and coaches can go numberless and give them to the players
According to bWAR, he's the best pitcher the Twins have ever had, 4 Wins better than Radke.
According to fWAR, he's the fourth best pitcher the Twins have had, after Radke, Johan, and Viola. 14 wins behind Radke.
Oh, wait, that only goes back to 1974. If we add his bWAR from his first four years, that's another 22 wins and he's 8 ahead of Radke.
Those measures put him in the same level as Killer, Puck, Oliva, and Carew. And above Hrbek
When I saw you saying "best pitcher the Twins ever had", I thought for sure that you'd be talking about Chuck James.
That's dreamiest. And I'm not sure they ever had him.
Based on him going into the Hall as a Twin, him being a key member of the first WS championship and him being a fan favorite as a broadcaster, I have no problem with it.
Yeah, I essentially agree, although I'd be in favor of changing "retired numbers" into "retired jerseys."
So, just keep going on not using the numbers of the jerseys you've retired, but down the road when, let's say as I pick a team completely at random, the Yankees run out of numbers, they can go back to using some of those that are part of retired jerseys.
As the stat heads are picking up steam, I can't see hexidecimal as being ruled out...
Didn't Pele wear a backwards 7? We could use that. And Prince's "The Artist" symbol. Maybe we're good for a while.
don't forget pi and e. Mmmmm, pie.
They might have enough available in the real numbers.
Do you REALLY want to see our broadcasters' reaction to that?
At least once. At most once too.
Eddie Gaedel wore 1/8
I could definitely get behind hexidecimal uni numbers.
Interesting thought on numbers vs. jerseys. Perhaps retire the number only if the player didn't wear his name on his jersey, otherwise retire the name/number combo.
More to the point, though, I think teams should limit how many numbers they retire to some arbitrary ceiling and then when the reach the ceiling, a number has to be re-activated for another to be retired. One particular arbitrary ceiling could be one retired number per decade. That would put the Twins at five of a max five numbers retired, and if you wanted to retire Blyleven, you'd have to re-activate Killer, Carew, Oliva, Hrbek, or Puckett. Or, you could wait until 2020 when a sixth retired number slot would open up and you could evaluate Blyleven vs. the field.
If I wanted to pick a fight, I'd start with Blyleven vs. Hrbek. Does having your entire career with the Twins make up a 10-bWAR difference? Best pitcher vs. second-best first basemen?
Also, two rings vs. one and hometown boys vs. SoCal math.
I would just say limit "retirement" of jerseys to a generation. I mean, does anyone really give a rat's @ss about most of the Celtics' retired numbers? Most of the Yankmees?
No NHL player would want to go to Edmonton and wear 99. No NBA player would want to go to Chicago and wear 23, or to LA to wear 33 or 32.
But eventually, those associations will fade. Take a number out of circulation for 30 or 40 years, then quietly bring it back into play.
Maybe not most of the Yankees, but say, Ruth's number ought to stay retired, imo. That's why I think it makes the most sense to set a limit and just agree that someone has to come out of the pool to put another number in. Under that system, Ruth would never be voted out, but it wouldn't be hard to see Dickey's and Berra's #8 unretired since neither is iconically associated with their number.
Also, in the day of 24x7 news on everything, I don't think bringing a number back into play could be done quietly. Might as well have a process for figuring out how to bring it back.
The Yankees have 15 retired numbers and only 11 full decades of existence. Time to bring back four numbers. Off the top of my head, I'd say Martin, Rizzuto, Mattingly, and Munson.
Sure, I agree in principle on a handful of all-time, pantheon-level greats, like Ruth. And I'm sure you are right that re-introduction couldn't be done quietly. But after a generation or so, almost no one will care if a number is reintroduced, other than (perhaps) the player's children/grandchildren.
So, bring the player's family in for a big reintroduction event. Have a "Bill Dickey/Yogi Berra" day, complete with bobbleheads, and reintroduce the number to a new generation while honoring the former, long-dead (or at least long-retired) wearer.
Having a reintroduction event could definitely work, if done right.
Bert's number being retired is fine by me. Getting into Cooperstown pretty much makes that automatic in my mind
unless Morneau or Mauer stay healthy and bring the Twins a World Series Championship, I really dont see any other Twins to get a number retired in the few years. Tom Kelly or Ron Gardenhire maybe
Mauer's number will be retired. I don't want to think of a scenario where that doesn't happen.
Mauer's number will not be retired. It will simply ascend to heaven at some point.
After his five run homer for
35,000 hits.Alternate Scenario: The team is renamed the Mauers or Sevens.
Looking at those bWAR and fWAR lists, Mauer's pretty close to the Hrbek line already.
fWAR has Mauer eighth behind the retired five, Hrbek lowest at 42, then Bob Allison at 38, Knoblauch at 36, and Mauer at 34.
bWAR has Mauer fifth with 39, behind Oliva with 42, but ahead of Hrbek with 35.
Yes. The Twins aren't at the point where they can not retire a number of a HOFer. Plus, if they don't do it, we'd have to hear Bert campaign for it for the next 10+ years.
They also have no retired numbers for pitchers, so it's not like they've been especially lax in their standards for retiring pitchers' numbers.
It's borderline for me, but the fact that he's going to be wearing a Twins hat in the HoF, combined with the fact that he's for better or worse been the color commentator for the team for going on a decade, I say 'yes'.
Obviously meant to nest under Yickit's question.
Mo chailín had her wisdom teeth out today, so I took a half day to get her home and settled. So now I'm drinking Grain Belt, eating pizza, and watching Ricky Gervais' stand-up instead of working. And it's not even my teeth getting yanked as I've already done that. All the benefits, none of the problems.
I had a bout at the dentist today, too. Nothing as severe as extractions, just a crown prep. Hope she's feeling better soon.
@ cheaptoy -
The Eagle has landed safely. I'll let you know when I get your return out (hopefully soon).
Dayum, that was fast.
Sean, after all your help yesterday, there was a problem with the new file tonight. Any change you, or someone else more savvy than I, can do the same thing with this file (the number should be 12 and the size is considerably smaller)? If the problem isn't resolved by the Commissioner, we're going back to the old game (OOTP 11 rather than 12) for another season while he tries to figure it out so this should be the last time.
Here it is.
Danke!
I just have to say that I think I know why California has such budget problems: They spent too much on traffic lights in Los Angeles.
Apropos of the number retirement thread: Blue Jays to retire Robbie Alomar's number.
Seriously?
He played 5 seasons in Toronto (ages 23-27). Sure, he was elected to the HOF and spent longer in Toronto than anywhere else. But 5 seasons ain't that long. I'm surprised, particularly since he is Toronto's first.
I meant to link to this earlier, as it came up on the perfect day.
I'm glad for Alomar - for whatever reason he kept bouncing around, so I assumed he'd never get this opportunity - but yeah, his contributions to any one team probably don't warrant a number retirement.
On top of the HOF, though, you've got those two world championships, and he was the face of those teams. I'm not too surprised.
So long as the Indians and Orioles don't also retire his number.
Tenth on the club with 22.
Between Devon White and Fred McGriff.
22 fWAR.
Seventh with bWAR of 20, between Olerud and Devon White.