"The way in which this type of rock forms ... is like how applejack liquor was made," geologist Edward Stolper, with the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, told reporters.
In colonial times, hard apple cider was put into big barrels and in the winter the liquid would partly freeze. "You'd crystallize out ice and you'd make more and more and more concentrated apple-flavored liquor," Stolper said.
Moreover, in both of the other major sports, defense can transition directly into offense. You can return an interception for a touchdown, but good luck getting a run added to your team tally for turning a double play. A steal becomes a fast break dunk, but a strikeout doesn’t become a towering home run.
All of that to say this: there’s exceptional excitement to be had in baseball, especially late in close playoff games, even if the result of the key confrontation therein is not new runs on the scoreboard.
Baseball is also the only sport in which the defense has the ball to start each play.
cricket?
Bowler pwns the batsman.
golf?*
*well, at least the way I play it, which I don't
Is this too Forbidden Zoney?? 'cause I found it HIlarious.
I am easily amused, of course.
I was pretty amused too.
The smiley water drinker guy is both terrifying and hilarious to me.
Like Sarah Johnson!
yeah, that may have been my favorite one
Beem a while since I posted, mostly been lurking during the ugly 2011/2012 seasons, if anyone's interested, I've updated my top300 Twins list though 2012 numbers. I don't think I put my list on a site since the end of 2010 when it was still SBG's site. I'll spare all the stats as they never format well, but in 2 years there are 9 new members (Willingham, Revere, Plouffe, Diamond, Doumit, Capps, Carroll, Burton, Parmalee
Rank Player
1 Harmon Killebrew 14 1961-1974
2 Kirby Puckett 12 1984-1995
3 Rod Carew 12 1967-1978
4 Tony Oliva 15 1962-1976
5 Joe Mauer 9 2004-2012
6 Kent Hrbek 14 1981-1994
7 Johan Santana 8 2000-2007
8 Jim Kaat 13 1961-1973
9 Bert Blyleven 11 1970-1988
10 Frank Viola 8 1982-1989
11 Bob Allison 10 1961-1970
12 Brad Radke 12 1995-2006
13 Chuck Knoblauch 7 1991-1997
14 Justin Morneau 10 2003-2012
15 Jim Perry 10 1963-1972
16 Torii Hunter 11 1997-2007
17 Earl Battey 7 1961-1967
18 Gary Gaetti 10 1981-1990
19 Zoilo Versalles 7 1961-1967
20 Joe Nathan 7 2004-2011
21 Rick Aguilera 11 1989-1999
22 Camilo Pascual 6 1961-1966
23 Shane Mack 5 1990-1994
24 Roy Smalley 10 1976-1987
25 Jack Morris 1 1991-1991
26 Cesar Tovar 8 1965-1972
27 Mike Cuddyer 11 2001-2011
28 Corey Koskie 7 1998-2004
29 Tom Brunansky 7 1982-1988
30 Brian Harper 6 1988-1993
31 Larry Hisle 5 1973-1977
32 Dave Goltz 8 1972-1979
33 Eddie Guardado 12 1993-2008
34 Greg Gagne 10 1983-1992
35 Kevin Tapani 7 1989-1995
36 Jimmie Hall 4 1963-1966
37 Jacque Jones 7 1999-2005
38 Rich Rollins 8 1961-1968
39 Mudcat Grant 4 1964-1967
40 Matt Lawton 7 1995-2001
41 Scott Erickson 6 1990-1995
42 Dave Boswell 7 1964-1970
43 Al Worthington 6 1964-1969
44 Dan Gladden 5 1987-1991
45 Butch Wynegar 7 1976-1982
46 Chili Davis 2 1991-1992
47 Randy Bush 12 1982-1993
48 Steve Braun 6 1971-1976
49 Dean Chance 3 1967-1969
50 Lyman Bostock 3 1975-1977
51 Jason Kubel 7 2004-2011
52 Jeff Reardon 3 1987-1989
53 Leo Cardenas 3 1969-1971
54 Denard Span 5 2008-2012
55 Paul Molitor 3 1996-1998
56 Ron Perranoski 4 1968-1971
57 Scott Baker 7 2005-2011
58 Marty Cordova 5 1995-1999
59 Eric Milton 6 1998-2003
60 Bill Campbell 4 1973-1976
61 Don Mincher 6 1961-1966
62 Jerry Koosman 3 1979-1981
63 A.J. Pierzynski 6 1998-2003
64 John Castino 6 1979-1984
65 Dan Ford 4 1975-1978
66 LaTroy Hawkins 9 1995-2003
67 Allan Anderson 6 1986-1991
68 Geoff Zahn 4 1977-1980
69 Mike Marshall 3 1978-1980
70 Gary Ward 5 1979-1983
71 Shannon Stewart 4 2003-2006
72 Doug Mientkiewicz 7 1998-2004
73 Rich Reese 10 1964-1973
74 Ron Coomer 6 1995-2000
75 Mickey Hatcher 6 1981-1986
76 Bobby Darwin 4 1972-1975
77 Tim Laudner 9 1981-1989
78 Gene Larkin 7 1987-1993
79 Francisco Liriano 7 2005-2012
80 Carlos Silva 4 2004-2007
81 Joe Mays 6 1999-2005
82 Cristian Guzman 6 1999-2004
83 Mike Smithson 4 1984-1987
84 Jim Merritt 4 1965-1968
85 Juan Berenguer 4 1987-1990
86 Juan Rincon 8 2001-2008
87 Delmon Young 4 2008-2011
88 David Ortiz 6 1997-2002
89 Dick Stigman 4 1962-1965
90 Jack Kralick 3 1961-1963
91 Doug Corbett 3 1980-1982
92 Kyle Lohse 6 2001-2006
93 Josh Willingham 1 2012-2012
94 Ken Landreaux 2 1979-1980
95 Carl Pavano 4 2009-2012
96 Ted Uhlaender 5 1965-1969
97 Lenny Green 4 1961-1964
98 Vic Power 3 1962-1964
99 Mike Trombley 9 1992-2002
100 Matt Guerrier 7 2004-2010
101 Pat Meares 6 1993-1998
102 Pedro Munoz 6 1990-1995
103 Mark Guthrie 7 1989-1995
104 Tom Johnson 5 1974-1978
105 John Smiley 1 1992-1992
106 Dick Woodson 5 1969-1974
107 Eric Soderholm 5 1971-1975
108 Tom Hall 4 1968-1971
109 Jim Thome 2 2010-2011
110 George Mitterwald 7 1966-1973
111 Roger Erickson 5 1978-1982
112 Glenn Adams 5 1977-1981
113 Nick Blackburn 6 2007-2012
114 Ron Davis 5 1982-1986
115 Bernie Allen 5 1962-1966
116 Lew Ford 5 2003-2007
117 Ken Schrom 3 1983-1985
118 Brian Duensing 4 2009-2012
119 Dave Engle 5 1981-1985
120 Kevin Slowey 5 2007-2011
121 Tom Burgmeier 4 1974-1977
122 Ray Corbin 5 1971-1975
123 Rick Reed 3 2001-2003
124 Todd Walker 5 1996-2000
125 Dave Winfield 2 1993-1994
126 Terry Steinbach 3 1997-1999
127 Danny Thompson 7 1970-1976
128 Rob Wilfong 6 1977-1982
129 Matt LeCroy 7 2000-2007
130 Luis Rivas 6 2000-2005
131 Albert Williams 5 1980-1984
132 Pete Redfern 7 1976-1982
133 Mark Salas 3 1985-1987
134 John Butcher 3 1984-1986
135 Craig Kusick 7 1973-1979
136 Tim Teufel 3 1983-1985
137 Mike Cubbage 5 1976-1980
138 Jason Bartlett 4 2004-2007
139 Jesse Crain 7 2004-2010
140 Carl Willis 5 1991-1995
141 Bill Dailey 2 1963-1964
142 Joe Decker 4 1973-1976
143 Bobby Castillo 3 1982-1984
144 Jim Hughes 4 1974-1977
145 J.C. Romero 7 1999-2005
146 Ron Jackson 3 1979-1981
147 Scott Leius 6 1990-1995
148 Luis Castillo 2 2006-2007
149 Rich Becker 5 1993-1997
150 Lee Stange 4 1961-1964
151 Glen Perkins 7 2006-2012
152 Bobby Kielty 3 2001-2003
153 Nick Punto 7 2004-2010
154 Mike Pagliarulo 3 1991-1993
155 Danny Valencia 3 2010-2012
156 Steve Lombardozzi 4 1985-1988
157 Johnny Roseboro 2 1968-1969
158 Jim Holt 7 1968-1974
159 Al Newman 5 1987-1991
160 Scott Stahoviak 5 1993-1998
161 Dustan Mohr 3 2001-2003
162 Bob Randall 5 1976-1980
163 Kenny Rogers 1 2003-2003
164 Steve Brye 7 1970-1976
165 Bombo Rivera 3 1978-1980
166 Johnny Klippstein 3 1964-1966
167 Stan Williams 2 1970-1971
168 Hosken Powell 4 1978-1981
169 Roy Smith 5 1986-1990
170 Darrell Jackson 5 1978-1982
171 Keith Atherton 3 1986-1988
172 Bill Pleis 6 1961-1966
173 Jim Roland 6 1962-1968
174 Brant Alyea 2 1970-1971
175 Ray Moore 3 1961-1963
176 Mike Redmond 5 2005-2009
177 Roberto Kelly 2 1996-1997
178 Alex Cole 2 1994-1995
179 Jose Morales 3 1978-1980
180 Bob Tewksbury 2 1997-1998
181 Ben Revere 3 2010-2012
182 Orlando Hudson 1 2010-2010
183 Bill Zepp 2 1969-1970
184 Pedro Ramos 1 1961-1961
185 John Moses 3 1988-1990
186 Greg Myers 2 1996-1997
187 Alexi Casilla 7 2006-2012
188 Carlos Gomez 2 2008-2009
189 Glenn Borgmann 8 1972-1979
190 Otis Nixon 1 1998-1998
191 Trevor Plouffe 3 2010-2012
192 Brendan Harris 3 2008-2010
193 Willie Norwood 4 1977-1980
194 Dennis Hocking 11 1993-2003
195 Les Straker 2 1987-1988
196 Mark Redman 3 1999-2001
197 Scott Diamond 2 2011-2012
198 Bob Miller 2 1968-1969
199 Ron Washington 6 1981-1986
200 Frank Rodriguez 4 1995-1998
201 Boof Bonser 3 2006-2008
202 Vic Albury 4 1973-1976
203 Pat Mahomes 5 1992-1996
204 Willie Banks 3 1991-1993
205 Fernando Arroyo 3 1980-1982
206 Ryan Doumit 1 2012-2012
207 Jim Lemon 3 1961-1963
208 Luis Tiant 1 1970-1970
209 Pat Neshek 4 2006-2010
210 Terry Leach 2 1990-1991
211 J.J. Hardy 1 2010-2010
212 Dennys Reyes 3 2006-2008
213 Chad Allen 3 1999-2001
214 Jason Tyner 3 2005-2007
215 Jim Dwyer 3 1988-1990
216 Bob Wells 4 1999-2002
217 Pete Filson 5 1982-1986
218 Hector Carrasco 4 1998-2001
219 Tony Fiore 3 2001-2003
220 Greg Swindell 2 1997-1998
221 Chip Hale 6 1989-1996
222 Dave Hollins 1 1996-1996
223 Brian Buchanan 3 2000-2002
224 Joe Crede 1 2009-2009
225 Frank Quilici 5 1965-1970
226 Junior Ortiz 2 1990-1991
227 Jose Mijares 4 2008-2011
228 Wayne Granger 1 1972-1972
229 David West 4 1989-1992
230 Brad Havens 3 1981-1983
231 Bill Singer 1 1976-1976
232 Bill Krueger 1 1992-1992
233 Bill Hands 2 1973-1974
234 Jeff Reboulet 5 1992-1996
235 Phil Roof 6 1971-1976
236 Jerry Terrell 5 1973-1977
237 George Frazier 2 1986-1987
238 Tom Edens 2 1991-1992
239 Rick Renick 5 1968-1972
240 Matt Capps 3 2010-2012
241 Travis Miller 7 1996-2002
242 Gary Wayne 4 1989-1992
243 Jon Rauch 2 2009-2010
244 Larry Casian 5 1990-1994
245 Rich Robertson 3 1995-1997
246 Tom Herr 1 1988-1988
247 Terry Mulholland 2 2004-2005
248 Jim Deshaies 2 1993-1994
249 Johnny Briggs 1 1975-1975
250 Orlando Cabrera 1 2009-2009
251 Jamey Carroll 1 2012-2012
252 Randy Johnson 1 1982-1982
253 Brian Buscher 3 2007-2009
254 Johnny Goryl 3 1962-1964
255 Don Lee 2 1961-1962
256 Neal Heaton 1 1986-1986
257 Mike Morgan 1 1998-1998
258 Steve Bedrosian 1 1991-1991
259 Danny Goodwin 3 1979-1981
260 Joe Lis 2 1973-1974
261 Orlando Merced 1 1998-1998
262 Darrell Brown 2 1983-1984
263 Dave LaRoche 1 1972-1972
264 Ron Kline 1 1967-1967
265 Jared Burton 1 2012-2012
266 Mike Jackson 1 2002-2002
267 John Candelaria 1 1990-1990
268 Gary Serum 3 1977-1979
269 Ron Schueler 1 1977-1977
270 Rick Lysander 3 1983-1985
271 Paul Thormodsgard 3 1977-1979
272 Jack O'Connor 4 1981-1984
273 Tom Prince 3 2001-2003
274 Lenny Webster 5 1989-1993
275 Freddie Toliver 2 1988-1989
276 Charlie Lea 1 1988-1988
277 Don Baylor 1 1987-1987
278 Henry Blanco 1 2004-2004
279 Paul Sorrento 3 1989-1991
280 Bobby Mitchell 2 1982-1983
281 Jay Canizaro 2 2000-2002
282 Rick Sofield 3 1979-1981
283 Juan Castro 2 2005-2006
284 Brent Gates 2 1998-1999
285 Matt Walbeck 3 1994-1996
286 Jerry Zimmerman 7 1962-1968
287 Lenny Faedo 5 1980-1984
288 Michael Ryan 4 2002-2005
289 Pete Cimino 2 1965-1966
290 Dwight Siebler 5 1963-1967
291 Dave Stevens 4 1994-1997
292 Mark Portugal 4 1985-1988
293 Joe Bonikowski 1 1962-1962
294 Matt Garza 2 2006-2007
295 Len Whitehouse 3 1983-1985
296 Graig Nettles 3 1967-1969
297 Chris Parmelee 2 2011-2012
298 Paul Ratliff 3 1963-1971
299 Gerry Arrigo 4 1961-1964
300 John Verhoeven 2 1980-1981
One season can make someone the 93rd best Twin ever. Nice.
One season can make someone the 25th best Twin ever.
touche
Yep, not a ton of 1 year Twin wonders: Morris, Willingham, Smiley, the Gambler, O-Hud, Pedro Ramos, and Otis Nixon are the only ones in the top200.
And Willingham will probably be off of that short list.
Nice to have you back. If you don't mind, I can edit your table to make it look and act like the ones on B-R.
Do you want me to email you the spreadsheet? I assume that works better than me attempting a copy/paste here?
Sure, but I won't be able to post it until tonight. I would suggest trying what I said below. I just made you an author, so you can test it out by starting a post. Then you can edit and preview as much as you want until it works.
Edit: Oops, forgot to include my email address. Use <my name> at katron.org
well, I gave a shot at posting, feel free to remove it or clean it if I did something wrong (looks like I should have given it spoiler or something to make it not take too much of the page. Gracias
Also, since this would also format the stats well, I could do that if you want to email them. Or, you could probably do it yourself. I'm guessing you have this in Excel? If so, should be easy to export it as a CSV file and add the necessary shortcode to format it. An example is available; look under the "Mimicking Sports-Reference Tables" section.
Welcome back! Who are the nine Twins who dropped off your list?
Matt Tolbert
Pete Mackanin
Dave Edwards
Rich Chiles
Jim Nettles
BIlly Martin
Steve Luebber
Jack Cressend
Garry Roggenburk
Not exactly a who's who of Twins history. 715 individuals have now worn a Twins uniform. The leaders for most at bats and innings respecively to not make my top300 are Tolbert and swizzlestack
Not exactly a who's who of Twins history.
Maybe not, but I remember all of them as players except Martin.
Quick and dirty BR table. I had to delete first names because text-to-columns split the names, and I couldn't figure a quick way to re-merge them.
have we had an all-time favorite twin conversation before? i can't remember if we have or not. i'd probably choose someone obvious like mauer or puckett, but i'm not too sure...
We have. Or, I have, and I assume it was here. Or maybe it was just on my "Better Know a Citizen" thing.
For me: Mauer, Mack, Lawton, Chili, Viola, Santana, Nathan.
That's not strictly in order. Mack's probably first.
Hrbek has long been my favorite Twin.
EDIT: Non mauer division.
Oh, jeez. Koskie, Gagne, Hrbek, Bruno, Herr (just seeing if you're paying attention), Radke, Milton, Hunter (he used to be way up there)...
It's probably shorter to list non-favorites.
You know, this "favorite Twins thing" probably deserves its own post.
What about something like this, with a wgom twist: a post where the author makes a case for what number he/she would wear if the author were a Twin -- what number and why?
that would be fun.
I can't promise to get such a post done today, but if someone else were interested....
I lamented to Buffalo the other day that I was upset they retired Bert's number because I always wore 28.
i'd probably go for 23. it was a weird thing, and i dunno, i just sort of adopted the number. barring that, i'd probably go for 77 if i could. that was my number one year in baseball, and i took a shine to it, i guess.
I'd probably wear #11 or #37.
I'd have to go with the number 3, as the Twins have won the World Series twice. My jersey number would serve as a constant reminder of the ultimate prize, which is to win the World Series. And it would inspire my fellow Twins teammates to strive toward our common goal to become champions.
UW, that is fantastic. I really, really hate that man and would love to award you one of Philosofer's points for mocking him so perfectly.
Go O's!
I missed something while traveling.
Girardi did this, then changed his number after winning in '09.
Interesting
If only his father hadn't passed away earlier this week, you could really pile on.
Number 6, natch.
I've turned this thread into a post. Please join in the fun there.
Why must you spoil everything?
It's what I do. I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Speaking of which, I just spent nearly two hours sitting at a federal agency in order to spend less than two minutes talking with an employee. That's some fine efficiency.
Efficient for them. Not for you.
you were at the DMV in Metairie?
Nah, this was a federal agency in Minneapolis. The people-watching in Metairie is way better.
remind me to tell you about my experience when I see you next. It's an instant classic.
1. Corey Koskie
2. Kirby Puckett
3. Shane Mack
4. Joe Mauer
5. Sweet Music
ah, shoot. I think maybe Brian Harper should be there. Bah
This. I won a bat at cost cutters signed my Brian Harper, Shane Mack, And Kirby. Probably the best day ever in my childhood mind.
I got to throw out the first pitch to Brian Harper the summer after 4th grade. Probably the best day ever in my childhood mind.
Radke is also way up there for me.
So, what Spooky said. Easier to make a list of non-favorites.
1. Tommy Herr.
2. Bret Boone.
Are we done yet?
Rhu-ru knows a dude named ron that could be on that list.
He Who Must Not Be Named
Delmon Young
Bob Wells
Juan Castro
Drew Butera
Ron Davis
Nick Blackburn
Delmon Young
Bob Wells
Juan Castro
Drew Butera He Who Must Not Be Named
Nick Blackburn
FTFY, heartless groin kicker!
(glad to see your list back, btw)
Butters I don't dislike. I don't want him on my team, but I don't dislike. He is who he is. Likewise Castro (and his Cuban Dictator mate Batista) or, for that matter, any of the other named individuals on that list.
I actually liked Batista77 a lot, I just disagreed with his results.
Hope he's doing well, would love to see him show up as a coach somewhere. (Just not a batting or fielding coach.)
I realized it had to be done, but I was saddened when Tony Batista was DFAd as soon as he walked off the field after dumping Gatorade on Jason Kubel following a walk-off grand slam.
The two random Twins that I really, really disliked growing up for absolutely no reason were Bob Kipper and Marty Cordova.
The only Twins I can remember disliking are the ones who made it clear they didn't want to be there. Tom Herr, Chuck Knoblauch after he signed the long-term contract, and Torii Hunter in his last year come to mind. It came out later that Rick Reed really didn't want to be there, but I don't remember him making an issue of it at the time, so I don't hold it against him.
I don't dislike bad players unless there's some reason to think they're not trying, which is rarely the case. Bad players don't want to be bad players. Even a certain closer from the early '80s wasn't blowing games on purpose. They're out there doing their best. Sometimes your best just isn't good enough.
I came of fandom age in the doldrums of the 1970s. Rod Carew and Bert are the obvious choices, I suppose, but for some reason I was never that invested in individual players. Perhaps because Cal was treating them like disposable, hired help. Lyman Bostock could have been That Guy for me.
Hisle was very Willinghamish (or vise-versa) when he first came on the scene as a Twin. Big favorite at the time
Yes. Also another Calvin victim.
Fred Bruckbauer
1. Kirby Puckett
2. Joe Mauer
3. Lew Ford
4. Corey Koskie
5. Johan Santana
6. Brad Radke
I not only read Kirby Puckett's autobiography as a kid, I still remember a great deal of it.
After Mauer, Hrbek, Puckett:
Greg Gagne
Bombo Rivera
Carl Willis
I spoilered the list (and Magoo's) to keep the page easier to navigate.
Sorry about that, didn't even cross my mind. Thanks for the assist.
"If they don't do something, stadiums all around the NFL will be half empty within five to ten years," he says. "You come back and tell me if I'm wrong."
I say they will be half full.
Lousy optimist.
To be a Twins fan one must be either an optimist or a sadist.
Same goes for Wolves and Vikes fandom.
I don't think the attendance will shrink that quickly, but I agree that the demographics will probably continue to shift towards angry dudes who take the game way too seriously. I don't know if the problem is really limited to the NFL, though, sports these days are marketed less as an entertaining diversion and more like a Very Serious Endeavor.
I don't think I buy his argument other than the hi-def tv side of it. I think his source is just getting old. The stadiums are still sold out. It is just different people going. Eventually, they will age and others will replace them.
I could see that entire article being written about concerts. "They're too loud." "It is too crowded." "People are too drunk."
They all point to the same conclusion. You are too old.
Yea. I was at a 49ers game just last season. It was loud, obnoxiously so. The beer was bad and overpriced (so we didn't buy any). But it WAS fun. The experience was very similar to other NFL games I've been to (49ers a few years ago; Bears in the mid-1990s at Soldier Field, Chargers in the early 1990s at Jack Murphy, Redskins in the late 1980s at RFK).
The prices and level of marketing (and the level of piped in noise) has gone up over time, but the basic product hasn't changed much. This is just GOML stuff.
Surely age is a big factor here, but that is why I think the demographics will skew more and more to a narrower demographic. And that might work out fine for the NFL because it is a demographic that advertisers love. At the same time, with sports moving more towards luxury suites and cable tv, I could see them losing popularity because not as many people will feel as connected to the team. That's not really the point that was being made, though.
I think he also overlooks the gambling tie-in and fantasy football.
If it weren't for basketball pools, would March Madness be as popular?
R. I. P. Champ Summers, from kidney cancer at age 66.
Who said scientists were boring?
Yup, I've got plans to make apple jack this year.
I think folks here might enjoy this new blog.
An excerpt from today:
Baseball is also the only sport in which the defense has the ball to start each play.
cricket?
Bowler pwns the batsman.
golf?*
*well, at least the way I play it, which I don't
Is this too Forbidden Zoney?? 'cause I found it HIlarious.
I am easily amused, of course.
I was pretty amused too.
The smiley water drinker guy is both terrifying and hilarious to me.
Like Sarah Johnson!
yeah, that may have been my favorite one
Beem a while since I posted, mostly been lurking during the ugly 2011/2012 seasons, if anyone's interested, I've updated my top300 Twins list though 2012 numbers. I don't think I put my list on a site since the end of 2010 when it was still SBG's site. I'll spare all the stats as they never format well, but in 2 years there are 9 new members (Willingham, Revere, Plouffe, Diamond, Doumit, Capps, Carroll, Burton, Parmalee
Rank Player
1 Harmon Killebrew 14 1961-1974
2 Kirby Puckett 12 1984-1995
3 Rod Carew 12 1967-1978
4 Tony Oliva 15 1962-1976
5 Joe Mauer 9 2004-2012
One season can make someone the 93rd best Twin ever. Nice.
One season can make someone the 25th best Twin ever.
touche
Yep, not a ton of 1 year Twin wonders: Morris, Willingham, Smiley, the Gambler, O-Hud, Pedro Ramos, and Otis Nixon are the only ones in the top200.
And Willingham will probably be off of that short list.
Nice to have you back. If you don't mind, I can edit your table to make it look and act like the ones on B-R.
Do you want me to email you the spreadsheet? I assume that works better than me attempting a copy/paste here?
Sure, but I won't be able to post it until tonight. I would suggest trying what I said below. I just made you an author, so you can test it out by starting a post. Then you can edit and preview as much as you want until it works.
Edit: Oops, forgot to include my email address. Use <my name> at katron.org
well, I gave a shot at posting, feel free to remove it or clean it if I did something wrong (looks like I should have given it spoiler or something to make it not take too much of the page. Gracias
Also, since this would also format the stats well, I could do that if you want to email them. Or, you could probably do it yourself. I'm guessing you have this in Excel? If so, should be easy to export it as a CSV file and add the necessary shortcode to format it. An example is available; look under the "Mimicking Sports-Reference Tables" section.
Welcome back! Who are the nine Twins who dropped off your list?
Matt Tolbert
Pete Mackanin
Dave Edwards
Rich Chiles
Jim Nettles
BIlly Martin
Steve Luebber
Jack Cressend
Garry Roggenburk
Not exactly a who's who of Twins history. 715 individuals have now worn a Twins uniform. The leaders for most at bats and innings respecively to not make my top300 are Tolbert and swizzlestack
Not exactly a who's who of Twins history.
Maybe not, but I remember all of them as players except Martin.
Quick and dirty BR table. I had to delete first names because text-to-columns split the names, and I couldn't figure a quick way to re-merge them.
have we had an all-time favorite twin conversation before? i can't remember if we have or not. i'd probably choose someone obvious like mauer or puckett, but i'm not too sure...
We have. Or, I have, and I assume it was here. Or maybe it was just on my "Better Know a Citizen" thing.
For me: Mauer, Mack, Lawton, Chili, Viola, Santana, Nathan.
That's not strictly in order. Mack's probably first.
Hrbek has long been my favorite Twin.
EDIT: Non mauer division.
Oh, jeez. Koskie, Gagne, Hrbek, Bruno, Herr (just seeing if you're paying attention), Radke, Milton, Hunter (he used to be way up there)...
It's probably shorter to list non-favorites.
You know, this "favorite Twins thing" probably deserves its own post.
What about something like this, with a wgom twist: a post where the author makes a case for what number he/she would wear if the author were a Twin -- what number and why?
that would be fun.
I can't promise to get such a post done today, but if someone else were interested....
I lamented to Buffalo the other day that I was upset they retired Bert's number because I always wore 28.
i'd probably go for 23. it was a weird thing, and i dunno, i just sort of adopted the number. barring that, i'd probably go for 77 if i could. that was my number one year in baseball, and i took a shine to it, i guess.
I'd probably wear #11 or #37.
I'd have to go with the number 3, as the Twins have won the World Series twice. My jersey number would serve as a constant reminder of the ultimate prize, which is to win the World Series. And it would inspire my fellow Twins teammates to strive toward our common goal to become champions.
UW, that is fantastic. I really, really hate that man and would love to award you one of Philosofer's points for mocking him so perfectly.
Go O's!
I missed something while traveling.
Girardi did this, then changed his number after winning in '09.
Interesting
If only his father hadn't passed away earlier this week, you could really pile on.
Number 6, natch.
I've turned this thread into a post. Please join in the fun there.
Why must you spoil everything?
It's what I do. I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Speaking of which, I just spent nearly two hours sitting at a federal agency in order to spend less than two minutes talking with an employee. That's some fine efficiency.
Efficient for them. Not for you.
you were at the DMV in Metairie?
Nah, this was a federal agency in Minneapolis. The people-watching in Metairie is way better.
remind me to tell you about my experience when I see you next. It's an instant classic.
CH leaves for a bit and you completely forget??
1. Corey Koskie
2. Kirby Puckett
3. Shane Mack
4. Joe Mauer
5. Sweet Music
ah, shoot. I think maybe Brian Harper should be there. Bah
This. I won a bat at cost cutters signed my Brian Harper, Shane Mack, And Kirby. Probably the best day ever in my childhood mind.
I got to throw out the first pitch to Brian Harper the summer after 4th grade. Probably the best day ever in my childhood mind.
Radke is also way up there for me.
So, what Spooky said. Easier to make a list of non-favorites.
1. Tommy Herr.
2. Bret Boone.
Are we done yet?
Rhu-ru knows a dude named ron that could be on that list.
He Who Must Not Be Named
Delmon Young
Bob Wells
Juan Castro
Drew Butera
Ron Davis
Nick Blackburn
Delmon Young
Bob Wells
Juan Castro
Drew Butera
He Who Must Not Be Named
Nick Blackburn
FTFY, heartless groin kicker!
(glad to see your list back, btw)
Butters I don't dislike. I don't want him on my team, but I don't dislike. He is who he is. Likewise Castro (and his Cuban Dictator mate Batista) or, for that matter, any of the other named individuals on that list.
I actually liked Batista77 a lot, I just disagreed with his results.
Hope he's doing well, would love to see him show up as a coach somewhere. (Just not a batting or fielding coach.)
I realized it had to be done, but I was saddened when Tony Batista was DFAd as soon as he walked off the field after dumping Gatorade on Jason Kubel following a walk-off grand slam.
The two random Twins that I really, really disliked growing up for absolutely no reason were Bob Kipper and Marty Cordova.
The only Twins I can remember disliking are the ones who made it clear they didn't want to be there. Tom Herr, Chuck Knoblauch after he signed the long-term contract, and Torii Hunter in his last year come to mind. It came out later that Rick Reed really didn't want to be there, but I don't remember him making an issue of it at the time, so I don't hold it against him.
I don't dislike bad players unless there's some reason to think they're not trying, which is rarely the case. Bad players don't want to be bad players. Even a certain closer from the early '80s wasn't blowing games on purpose. They're out there doing their best. Sometimes your best just isn't good enough.
I came of fandom age in the doldrums of the 1970s. Rod Carew and Bert are the obvious choices, I suppose, but for some reason I was never that invested in individual players. Perhaps because Cal was treating them like disposable, hired help. Lyman Bostock could have been That Guy for me.
Hisle was very Willinghamish (or vise-versa) when he first came on the scene as a Twin. Big favorite at the time
Yes. Also another Calvin victim.
Fred Bruckbauer
1. Kirby Puckett
2. Joe Mauer
3. Lew Ford
4. Corey Koskie
5. Johan Santana
6. Brad Radke
I not only read Kirby Puckett's autobiography as a kid, I still remember a great deal of it.
After Mauer, Hrbek, Puckett:
Greg Gagne
Bombo Rivera
Carl Willis
I spoilered the list (and Magoo's) to keep the page easier to navigate.
Sorry about that, didn't even cross my mind. Thanks for the assist.
Joe Poz on the state of the NFL.
I say they will be half full.
Lousy optimist.
To be a Twins fan one must be either an optimist or a sadist.
Same goes for Wolves and Vikes fandom.
I don't think the attendance will shrink that quickly, but I agree that the demographics will probably continue to shift towards angry dudes who take the game way too seriously. I don't know if the problem is really limited to the NFL, though, sports these days are marketed less as an entertaining diversion and more like a Very Serious Endeavor.
I don't think I buy his argument other than the hi-def tv side of it. I think his source is just getting old. The stadiums are still sold out. It is just different people going. Eventually, they will age and others will replace them.
I could see that entire article being written about concerts. "They're too loud." "It is too crowded." "People are too drunk."
They all point to the same conclusion. You are too old.
Yea. I was at a 49ers game just last season. It was loud, obnoxiously so. The beer was bad and overpriced (so we didn't buy any). But it WAS fun. The experience was very similar to other NFL games I've been to (49ers a few years ago; Bears in the mid-1990s at Soldier Field, Chargers in the early 1990s at Jack Murphy, Redskins in the late 1980s at RFK).
The prices and level of marketing (and the level of piped in noise) has gone up over time, but the basic product hasn't changed much. This is just GOML stuff.
Surely age is a big factor here, but that is why I think the demographics will skew more and more to a narrower demographic. And that might work out fine for the NFL because it is a demographic that advertisers love. At the same time, with sports moving more towards luxury suites and cable tv, I could see them losing popularity because not as many people will feel as connected to the team. That's not really the point that was being made, though.
I think he also overlooks the gambling tie-in and fantasy football.
If it weren't for basketball pools, would March Madness be as popular?