So, Lance Armstrong went ahead and admitted it. I was really loving to hate USADA, but it seems there aren't any good guys in this one.
85 thoughts on “January 15, 2013: No More Heroes”
gonna have this song going through my head the next seven days...
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru2tsT32pHA
I hope you will have it all!
Except the sunburn, hopefully.
Dude stole my beard.
The important thing is that Oprah is going to cash in on this.
...and her audience members will all get space shuttles
...damn it.
*checks eBay*
Don't worry, they're not really space shuttles. They're more like planes that reach the outer atmosphere so that you can experience a few seconds of weightlessness.
Will even Oprah experience weightlessness?
I'm pretty sure demigods can do that sort of thing whenever they want.
True redemption in this country only starts once you have spoken with the Oprah.
I thought winning Super Bowls worked?
I've heard hitting dingers in game 163 works, too.
Did JI
JIM THOME need to be redeemed? Or was that something else?
Lately, I haven't been feeling like I really care about baseball all that much. This could be due to the craptastic performance from our local club, or it could be that I'm more entertained by other things. But, just looking at that link brings me back to one of the most exciting nights I can remember.
Ditto.
Also, Bobby Keppel...those were the days.
I so want to see that game log again
Magglio needed redemption?
Not Magglio, though if he had that long hair at the time, then maybe.
O-Dog???
Might be kind of hard for ol' Lance to win a Super Bowl. But, yeah Super Bowls &/or Oprah = Redemption!
Seemed to work well for Tom Cruise.
The TdF is basically the Superbowl of biking, right? Maybe he could win one of those.
Funny, because I'd be willing to bet there's some sort of positive correlation between winning Super Bowls and doping.
Are bionic arms outlawed in the MLB rulebook? If not, I'd suggest the Twins have the doctors give one to Nick. I'd think he might be able to contribute if he had one.
If it works for Stelarc why wouldn't it work for Blackburn?
Time to get the suck out that they left in there last time by accident.
GW landed a new recruit for basketball next year. I hope he majors in accounting.
Stick and Puck Guys is looking mighty bare at the moment.
I'll try to remember to sign up, but I'm probably going to miss the draft.
I'm thinking Parise in the first, Koivu in the second and Heatley in the third. Is this a money league?
So, Lance sued people for defamation (including settling for $500K with a London newspaper) when they discussed his alleged PED use. Now, he admits he did it. He also did the Livestrong thing. Barry Bonds almost certainly knowingly used PEDs, but he didn't go out and sue people, yet he probably lied under oath and he has a (pretty flimsy) obstruction of justice conviction for giving an evasive answer. Both used PEDs in environments where usage was widespread. In the case of cycling, there was a concerted effort to crack down on cheating, where in baseball, usage, until the last couple of years was basically condoned by the powers that be.
So, who is the bigger villain? Or is either a villain?
I don't want to live in a world where Jeff Novitzky wins.
You know his name. He won a long time ago.
Dallas will always have that one NBA championship.
I'm gonna go with Lance as the villian on the basis of the crap lawsuits that I hope he has to pay money back for. Mostly though, I don't think I care a whole lot. It'd be nice if they could all just be allowed to juice and the rest of us can move on with our lives. (not that my life has stopped because Lance is on Oprah.)
I think it's kind of interesting to see how they both approached the morality of the usage. Armstrong seemed to do everything he could to cover it up, like he knew it was wrong. Bonds, despite denying it, didn't really seem to hide it with the same ferocity. There's stories about Bonds making the calculated decision to use so that he could go from being one of the best to being the best, because he was jealous of the attention McGuire and such were getting.
Bonds seems like an example of someone taking an "ends justify the means" approach, but Armstrong's coverups demonstrate an acknowledgment that the means were wrong. From an ethical standpoint, I have more problems with the person who accepts that the ends justify the means. At the same time, Armstrong seems like the weaker person, who knew right from wrong but didn't stand up for what was right.
It's a whole lot of projection, but I'd have to say that Bonds is more of a villain, Lance is more of a weasel. And I think I respect villains more than weasels.
Armstrong seemed to do everything he could to cover it up, like he knew it was wrong.
Cycling has for decades (since LeMond, at least) been rife with a culture of cheating/coverups. But when (almost) everyone is cheating, is anyone cheating?
It's a fair point if you're limiting his actions to the world of cycling. But he took a much larger approach to his cover-up, including, as was pointed out, civil suits for defamation.
Say what you want about Bonds and Armstrong individually, but you're still trying to compare 755 to cycling. I don't recall hardly anyone in this country giving much of a damn about cycling before Lance Armstrong.
And there's a lot of people in Europe who have never seen a baseball game or even know the first thing about it.
Over there they just call it cricket
or honkbal
If I could easily learn a language just for the fun of learning it, Dutch looks so cool. It looks like if English got really twisted spellings and then every tenth word is just completely random.
I mean, it looks easy:
Nieuwe club Loek van Mil heeft een nieuwe club gevonden. De Nederlandse profpitcher heeft een contract getekend bij Cincinnati Reds. Hij start in de Minor League.
New Club Loek van Mil haves a new club gived on him. The [Dutch] pro pitcher haves a contract get takened by [the] Cincinnati Reds. He starts in the Minor League.
That's gotta be pretty close, right?
I think that's how Rosetta Stone does it.
Should I know her? Steve's wife?
I wasn't aware we were supposed to take into account the moral reaction in Europe to cheating in sport that isn't even played there.
I wasn't comparing 755 to cycling. I was comparing the individuals and how people think of them. I really don't care about who holds the record for most HRs.
Right, but you can't get around the fact that people hold certain things more dearly than others, and place moral weight accordingly. Bonds is going to be the greater villain because he broke the record of a black man who received death threats for hitting more home runs than a white man, and there are plenty of fans (and voters in the BBWAA) who were alive when Aaron broke Ruth's record and are going to hold that cheapening of that record against Bonds. Armstrong's success popularized cycling, but he didn't replace anyone in the record books that anyone in this country cares much about, because baseball has a ton of long-standing grip on American sporting culture, and cycling just flat doesn't.
Right, but you can't get around the fact that people hold certain things more dearly than others, and place moral weight accordingly.
So, if a guy steals your and only your retirement funds, is he more evil than a guy who steals the retirement funds of 500 people similar to you but that you don't know?
During a phone call days later, Lowe asked about her sexual relationship with her husband, commented on her appearance and asked if she was interested in sex with him.
The PiPress report that Lowe was placed on probation for purchasing cocaine from a client in 1997, so the most recent incident of unprofessional conduct isn't the first time he's landed himself in trouble for blending work and play.
I like that they call it blending work and play.
1.8(j) might be the only rule of professional conduct I can actually remember by number.
Well, I just got into a forbidden zone argument on Twitter. This is by far worse than getting into one on Facebook.
Heh. forbidden zone arguments done in abreeves could be the new mkt nficncy
lol u srs?
Unless you deleted things, that was quite civil.
Man I love Bleacher Report if for nothing else than the humor factor. Alexi Casilla is the shortstop on their "All-Underpaid Team". How did the Twins ever let him go?!?!?!
I'd forgotten we let him go. Honestly, if you asked me to name the 40-man right now, I'd do worse than I would have in any season since at least 2000.
also, given the following sentence in the piece, how does that compute to being "all-underpaid"???
A multi-year deal would be ill-advised considering that he has never earned his keep for a full season
Did they list the 50 most underpaid players?
If he has been released, then I guess he is "underpaid" in the sense that he's not currently getting paid.
saw the potential to help people overcome their difficulties with taking injections.
.
Oh, mama.
The local Famous Footwear had my Pumas marked down $15 off, so I bought a pair to replace my current pair. A pair I bought last September before we went to Prague. I should be set until June 2014.
File under crazy: I've just been given a lithography press for free. A day after a crushing defeat I'm given a massive gift. Crazy.
Great news! Glad to hear that it's not all bad at the meat residence.
awesome, meat. i have to imagine something is trying to tell you something there. stay bloody, bro.
Man, I could eat coconut shrimp every day of the week. And I just might!
That's nothing. Here is a story about some friends of mine on their vacation.
not saying that I was wavering on my my faith of the show runners and writers, but glad to see that Justified is still churning out excellent episodes.
gonna have this song going through my head the next seven days...
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru2tsT32pHA
I hope you will have it all!
Except the sunburn, hopefully.
Dude stole my beard.
The important thing is that Oprah is going to cash in on this.
...and her audience members will all get space shuttles
...damn it.
*checks eBay*
Don't worry, they're not really space shuttles. They're more like planes that reach the outer atmosphere so that you can experience a few seconds of weightlessness.
Will even Oprah experience weightlessness?
I'm pretty sure demigods can do that sort of thing whenever they want.
True redemption in this country only starts once you have spoken with the Oprah.
I thought winning Super Bowls worked?
I've heard hitting dingers in game 163 works, too.
Did JI
JIM THOME need to be redeemed? Or was that something else?
JI JIM dingers redeem YOU!
Redemption.
Lately, I haven't been feeling like I really care about baseball all that much. This could be due to the craptastic performance from our local club, or it could be that I'm more entertained by other things. But, just looking at that link brings me back to one of the most exciting nights I can remember.
Ditto.
Also, Bobby Keppel...those were the days.
I so want to see that game log again
Magglio needed redemption?
Not Magglio, though if he had that long hair at the time, then maybe.
O-Dog???
Might be kind of hard for ol' Lance to win a Super Bowl. But, yeah Super Bowls &/or Oprah = Redemption!
Seemed to work well for Tom Cruise.
The TdF is basically the Superbowl of biking, right? Maybe he could win one of those.
Funny, because I'd be willing to bet there's some sort of positive correlation between winning Super Bowls and doping.
Blackburn to have surgery on wrist.
Are bionic arms outlawed in the MLB rulebook? If not, I'd suggest the Twins have the doctors give one to Nick. I'd think he might be able to contribute if he had one.
If it works for Stelarc why wouldn't it work for Blackburn?
Time to get the suck out that they left in there last time by accident.
GW landed a new recruit for basketball next year. I hope he majors in accounting.
Stick and Puck Guys is looking mighty bare at the moment.
I'll try to remember to sign up, but I'm probably going to miss the draft.
I'm thinking Parise in the first, Koivu in the second and Heatley in the third. Is this a money league?
So, Lance sued people for defamation (including settling for $500K with a London newspaper) when they discussed his alleged PED use. Now, he admits he did it. He also did the Livestrong thing. Barry Bonds almost certainly knowingly used PEDs, but he didn't go out and sue people, yet he probably lied under oath and he has a (pretty flimsy) obstruction of justice conviction for giving an evasive answer. Both used PEDs in environments where usage was widespread. In the case of cycling, there was a concerted effort to crack down on cheating, where in baseball, usage, until the last couple of years was basically condoned by the powers that be.
So, who is the bigger villain? Or is either a villain?
I don't want to live in a world where Jeff Novitzky wins.
You know his name. He won a long time ago.
Dallas will always have that one NBA championship.
I'm gonna go with Lance as the villian on the basis of the crap lawsuits that I hope he has to pay money back for. Mostly though, I don't think I care a whole lot. It'd be nice if they could all just be allowed to juice and the rest of us can move on with our lives. (not that my life has stopped because Lance is on Oprah.)
I think it's kind of interesting to see how they both approached the morality of the usage. Armstrong seemed to do everything he could to cover it up, like he knew it was wrong. Bonds, despite denying it, didn't really seem to hide it with the same ferocity. There's stories about Bonds making the calculated decision to use so that he could go from being one of the best to being the best, because he was jealous of the attention McGuire and such were getting.
Bonds seems like an example of someone taking an "ends justify the means" approach, but Armstrong's coverups demonstrate an acknowledgment that the means were wrong. From an ethical standpoint, I have more problems with the person who accepts that the ends justify the means. At the same time, Armstrong seems like the weaker person, who knew right from wrong but didn't stand up for what was right.
It's a whole lot of projection, but I'd have to say that Bonds is more of a villain, Lance is more of a weasel. And I think I respect villains more than weasels.
Or maybe because the cycling federation has long at least pretended to enforce its rules against doping. He would have been banned for a year or more in his prime if caught.
Cycling has for decades (since LeMond, at least) been rife with a culture of cheating/coverups. But when (almost) everyone is cheating, is anyone cheating?
It's a fair point if you're limiting his actions to the world of cycling. But he took a much larger approach to his cover-up, including, as was pointed out, civil suits for defamation.
Say what you want about Bonds and Armstrong individually, but you're still trying to compare 755 to cycling. I don't recall hardly anyone in this country giving much of a damn about cycling before Lance Armstrong.
And there's a lot of people in Europe who have never seen a baseball game or even know the first thing about it.
Over there they just call it cricket
or honkbal
If I could easily learn a language just for the fun of learning it, Dutch looks so cool. It looks like if English got really twisted spellings and then every tenth word is just completely random.
I mean, it looks easy:
New Club Loek van Mil haves a new club gived on him. The [Dutch] pro pitcher haves a contract get takened by [the] Cincinnati Reds. He starts in the Minor League.
That's gotta be pretty close, right?
I think that's how Rosetta Stone does it.
Should I know her? Steve's wife?
I wasn't aware we were supposed to take into account the moral reaction in Europe to cheating in sport that isn't even played there.
I wasn't comparing 755 to cycling. I was comparing the individuals and how people think of them. I really don't care about who holds the record for most HRs.
Right, but you can't get around the fact that people hold certain things more dearly than others, and place moral weight accordingly. Bonds is going to be the greater villain because he broke the record of a black man who received death threats for hitting more home runs than a white man, and there are plenty of fans (and voters in the BBWAA) who were alive when Aaron broke Ruth's record and are going to hold that cheapening of that record against Bonds. Armstrong's success popularized cycling, but he didn't replace anyone in the record books that anyone in this country cares much about, because baseball has a ton of long-standing grip on American sporting culture, and cycling just flat doesn't.
Right, but you can't get around the fact that people hold certain things more dearly than others, and place moral weight accordingly.
So, if a guy steals your and only your retirement funds, is he more evil than a guy who steals the retirement funds of 500 people similar to you but that you don't know?
This question is flat silly.
Just in case Carlos Boozer started talking about Fruit Loops, apparently.
here's someone for all you lawyerly types to emulate.
I like that they call it blending work and play.
1.8(j) might be the only rule of professional conduct I can actually remember by number.
Well, I just got into a forbidden zone argument on Twitter. This is by far worse than getting into one on Facebook.
Heh. forbidden zone arguments done in abreeves could be the new mkt nficncy
lol u srs?
Unless you deleted things, that was quite civil.
Man I love Bleacher Report if for nothing else than the humor factor. Alexi Casilla is the shortstop on their "All-Underpaid Team". How did the Twins ever let him go?!?!?!
I'd forgotten we let him go. Honestly, if you asked me to name the 40-man right now, I'd do worse than I would have in any season since at least 2000.
also, given the following sentence in the piece, how does that compute to being "all-underpaid"???
Did they list the 50 most underpaid players?
If he has been released, then I guess he is "underpaid" in the sense that he's not currently getting paid.
I told you so, greekhouse.
headline speaks for itself:
Nationals sign Rafael Soriano to two-year, $28 million deal
(don't forget, that includes a draft pick)
So you're saying Drew Storen might be available??
First Novitzki and now Boras? Why do all of these people keeping winning?
Trend worse.
You can't make this up.
.
Oh, mama.
The local Famous Footwear had my Pumas marked down $15 off, so I bought a pair to replace my current pair. A pair I bought last September before we went to Prague. I should be set until June 2014.
File under crazy: I've just been given a lithography press for free. A day after a crushing defeat I'm given a massive gift. Crazy.
Great news! Glad to hear that it's not all bad at the meat residence.
awesome, meat. i have to imagine something is trying to tell you something there. stay bloody, bro.
Man, I could eat coconut shrimp every day of the week. And I just might!
#winning
Snakes on a vacation!
That's nothing. Here is a story about some friends of mine on their vacation.
not saying that I was wavering on my my faith of the show runners and writers, but glad to see that Justified is still churning out excellent episodes.