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Half-Baked Hall: 1964

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Rickey says he's a Hall-of-Famer.  Rickey says he got 92% of the vote, which is better than his stolen base percentage in any season.

David Cone got a couple of votes, but not enough to hang around. Mark Grace and Matt Williams both get shut out.

1964

What's In The Box?

  • Duke Snider (65%, 11 Votes)
  • Billy Pierce (29%, 5 Votes)
  • None of them! (6%, 1 Votes)

Total Voters: 12

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  1. I'll be voting for both. Snider was somehow the third-best centerfielder in his own city during his career, yet still easily worthy.

    Pierce is a lot like Dave Stieb in that his rate stats are really, really good, but he was outshined by some contemporaries in some of the sillier ones (like wins by Early Wynn). Also, his managers historically matched him up against the top teams (like the Yankees) way more than you would expect from a random distribution, so he was hurt a little by a tougher than expected quality of opponent. He often lead the league in complete games, but his managers would apparently skip his starts from time to time and use him in the bullpen . For example, he threw 199.1 more innings in his career against the Yankees than the Kansas City Athletics. That's amazing.

    1. Duke was pretty much all-World for four years 1953-56, but fell off the cliff after age-30. Great peak, HOF-average career.

      Pierce had one really, really great year and 5-6 good or very good ones. I am having a hard time pulling the trigger on him. Definitely well below average for HOF starters. But Vida Blue as his top comp? Hmmmm.

      1. Ok, Pierce had 133 career decisions in which he got two or fewer runs in support. ERA of 3.30, 684 OOPS and record of 21-112 in those games. With 3-5 runs of support, he was 81-44 (3.18 ERA, 652 OOPS).

        Dude was Blylevian in terms of pitching well with lousy run support. (Of course Bert had about 700 more innings of games with run support of two or fewer).

        25-37 with a 3.94 ERA vs the Yankees in 88 games.
        24-16 and 2.86 in 56 games vs the A's
        21-13 and 2.88 in 50 vs Your Minnesota Twins.

        1. That's a better way of saying what I was trying to say above about him being disproportionately used against elite opponents. He's not inner-circle, but he's definitely in for me.

  2. Love how Snider led the league in SO’s in 1957 ... with 104 of ‘em in 592 at bats. Meanwhile, this year’s “winner” was Eugenio Suárez of the Reds with 189 in 662 PAs.

  3. In 1955, Pierce led the majors in ERA, ERA+, FIP & WHIP (1.97, 200, 2.83, 1.099) good for an 18th-place tie in the AL MVP voting with 6.9 WAR ... the same as Ted Williams and behind only Kaline (8.2) & Mantle (9.6) in the AL.

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