Rather than talk about the Twins playing out the string, how about a discussion on the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame's ballot? Last year we discussed the merits of various candidates in the CoC, but given the musical tastes of the nation a standalone post (and maybe a poll? Spooky?) seem to be merited.
Here's the full ballot:
Guns N Roses*
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
War
The Spinners
Eric B. & Rakim*
The Cure
Freddie King
Rufus with Chaka Khan
The Small Faces/The Faces**
Donovan
Laura Nyro
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Donna Summer
Beastie Boys
Heart
* first year of eligibility
** Rod Stewart is in already as a solo artist. Ron Wood is in as a member of the Stones. Kenney Jones is not in as a member of The Who.
The rules for nomination are simple: acts become eligible for induction 25 years after their first commercial release, which puts 1986 as the cutoff for this year. Voters can vote for up to five nominees. Who is on your ballot?
Can they induct no one?
I'm a small Hall guy.
That's similar to my "what the hell do we need a hall of fame for this?" outlook.
The museum is cool, but HoF? I suppose that kind of supports the museum, but <font size=10256>Who Cares?</font>
At least no one can try to make the "Hall of Very Good" argument here.
That ship sailed so long ago that everyone on it has been dead of scurvy for years.
Cash grab. Cleveland really needed it at the time.
I'm thinking of the number of words JoePos would devote to this topic, and I think you've just established the bar for the opposite of a Posnanskian reaction to the ballot. 😉
I have a poll planned, but this could be fun instead.
I'd still like a multiple choice poll, simply to see who the Nation collectively inducts.
I have a better idea: let's find out who's actually been to various Halls of Fame?
My list:
Baseball
Basketball
Football
Rock 'n Roll
Bowling (stopped in for a soda waiting for the gates to open at Busch stadium)
Not hockey in Eveleth?
That's the only one I've been to, but if you count the corn palace then I've been to two.
ooh, yea. I've been to the Corn Palace. That's the only one that springs to mind.
Er, I was making a joak - Corn Palace as hall of fame... /notfunny/
so you're saying that the World's Largest Twine Ball, in Darwin, MN, wouldn't count either?
I've been to the corn palace, but that's about it. Well, other than the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Does that count?
I've never been, but my 9th grade German teacher included a picture of it in the series of pictures of Berlin landmarks we were supposed to memorize. Does that count?
I've also been to the NHRA museum at the L.A. County Fairgrounds, but I can't remember if they had some sort of drag racing Hall of Fame. It was pretty cool with all the old race cars and jumpsuits.
Right. Hockey (U.S. and Canada)
This is my entire list as well.
The Canadian one is great. My wife still makes fun of me for refusing to touch the Cup.
You are waiting for the Wild to win it?
Not the Wild. Me. You've got to earn it.
If I ever get the chance, I'm touching the thing. I know. I'm a heathen.
It's the coolest trophy going, and it loses nothing up close. I wouldn't blame you.
I touched it. It was spectacular.
I had the chance to touch the cup at Brett Hall's house, but I didn't make it to Brett Hull's house. boo on me.
Dido
I've driven by it, but no.
Halls of Fame I've been to:
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My list is of a similar length. I've driven past the college hockey Hall of Fame, though, as I recall. So, is that something?
I've been to the bowling hall of fame, mainly because I was in St. Louis many years ago and had an afternoon free. It was actually much cooler than I expected it to be.
I've always thought it funny that the Bowling HoF wasn't in Reno where they have the national championship every other year.
Have driven by Eveleth/hockey HOF, and BBall in Springfield, Mass. Saw a sign around Lake Saratoga for Cooperstown in NY. There is a HOF for Cricket in my backyard in Hartford, but sadly I have not visited it (yet).
I take it the Rock & Roll HoF is the Jim Rice of your list.
It's an interesting museum, the basketball HOF was kind of a dump. Baseball is far and away the best.
I've been to both the Baseball and RnR...what do I win?
Baseball, hockey, and rock and roll.
I'd support Eric B & Rakim, as a group, and I'd support them separately.
Cure and Beasties are borderline for me, but I'm guessing that they will get in someday.
Probably Donna Summer (I'd put her in to honor Moroder).
I don't know enough about The Spinners or Freddie King.
I don't know Laura Nyro from anyone, but I can see she's collaborated with some artists from the 70s that I dislike. So I vote no.
Time for me to complain about artists without nominations. I would support any of the artists below before any of the artists above save Eric B. & Rakim:
Sonic Youth
Ministry
Throbbing Gristle
Coil
Einstürzende Neubauten
Lee "Scratch" Perry
Sly & Robbie
Meat Puppets
Need to get these out of the way because soon these artists will be eligible:
The Sugarcubes
Juan Atkins
Derrick May
Kevin Saunderson
I'm with you. I'd definitely support Eric B. and Rakim, if Halls of Fame mattered to me.
According to the Repository (and who can argue with an encyclopedia?)
Whoa, potent chemistry. Sounds like HOF material to me. That's some serious intangibles.
Knowing what I know about the nomination process (I have a very close friend on the committee), I can tell you that the groups who routinely don't get nominations don't get them because of a combination of relative age of the committee, musical tastes, racial ignorance, and preconceived notions about what constitutes worthy music. Speaking to your list specifically, I can tell you that age of the committee is the limiting factor for a number of those groups.
so, are they the same people who do the Grammys?
No, but just like voting for baseball's HoF and season awards you get the some of the same kind of stubborn, old hardliner journos and such who have very specific ideas they'll never allow to be challenged. And then when you get to who actually votes on the nominees it's basically thousands of music programmers and radio DJs.
If I were to characterize it, the process is something like combining the worst of the processes for voting for baseball HoFers and All-Stars.
Dude. Did you not see The Suburbs win for Arcade Fire this year?!
The Suburbs broke up years ago.
Oh, I know there's no chance (well, maybe SY and Scratch or S&R), but I just gotta list some off the top of my head.
I figured that being based in the US may have biased them against groups like TG, Coil, and Einstürzende Neubauten, who have also never really had any major-label releases, nor did they influence anyone* that sold many major-label releases.
*Other than Nine Inch Nails
I was listening to dub and techno today, so that drove my list. I had a way different list when this discussion came up last year.
Yeah, the Belleville Three have no chance, either. DJ music like Techno is going to be very hard for the HOF to work with for the "first commercial release" thing, because, what's a commercial release? Does it have to use a name the artist used later? Mixtapes and limited-press vinyl-only runs would have to be ineligible as well. What about a commercial release of a mix of others' music? Some worthy DJs may not have had a "commercial release" of original music until a decade or more into their career (if at all).
And I don't even know if I'd vote for the Sugarcubes.
Will the Pixies get in? They should be eligible in 2013, if I did my math right.
old hardliner journos and such who have very specific ideas they'll never allow to be challenged
What we need is a VORB statistic, to allow for more objective discussions of these things. Sure, it may take a while, but maybe SY or Lee Perry could benefit from a good Blyleven-type campaign.
(And if VORB shows me that the Meat Puppets were just a replacement-level cowpunk band, I can always disagree with how it's calculated. They really shouldn't be counting that one very sub-replacement first album nor Golden Lies. Take those two albums out, and you've got case.)
And yes, we've finally got to the point where Danny Valencia is our No. 3 hitter. A little surprised it isn't DSpan2, but he's still fighting off the rust and fog. Not that it really matters, just showing possibly the lowest point this season in lineup construction.
Span can't be the #3 hitter, he has to be the #1 hitter.
I'm just happy that a middle infielder isn't hitting second.
I'm just glad Gardy doesn't put Revere ahead of Span at the top of the order. He's fast, so he can lead off!!
I smell the Big C.
Cuddyer?
100.
tew smrt four me...
I thought he was talking about a clubhouse cancer.
I'm thinking a hondo in the L column automatically triggers major changes. Take out the brooom. New bat-boy. Different laundry vendor. Maybe more...
Twins claim hard-throwing reliever with control problems.
I think it's about time for fans to stop complaining about the Twins' fascination with pitching to contact. They've done an awful lot the last 12 months to refute that theory. Of course, their defense has made it a lot harder to stick with a philosophy of pitching to contact.
Vasquez will be 28 in November and has had control trouble basically his whole career. I'm sure there are pitchers who've learned to throw strikes at that age, but I doubt if it's a terribly long list. I'm not upset about it, since it doesn't cost them anything, but I fail to see what makes him a better bet than, say, Chuck James.
Umm, isn't this Game 161?
This [allegedly] is a wrap of yesterday's game, not the log for today.
monday's recap, socal. Today and tomorrow left.