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3 names out there yet that surprise me, as they are in (or near) the top 30 on my own list and I think they are like able (unless I am missing something). This has actually been kind of fun to watch from the sidelines.
I'm thinking about 4 options right now...
Considering we have drafted 60 players, 3 remaining in your top 30 is not bad. Especially since there definitely have been some sentimental picks (Kirby Puckett my #2) and there's been an obvious "build up the center approach" all of us are taking. There's definitely a lot of corner outfielders and 1st basement out there that look pretty juicy.
I've gone back and forth on this pick so many times. There's a giant of a catcher still available. There are a few key infielders who could give my infield real shape, and you know those spots are thinner. There are outfield giants available (including one with a service time gap that makes him even more tantalizing). Like Free said, there's some corner OF and 1st basement whose bats would make my lineup look amazing.
so you've got him manning left-field. Hoo-boy what a defense you have out there
I mean, I'll let him and Clemente decide who wants right and who wants left. I trust them.
Also, he hit like a corner outfielder, so it's okay.
Clemente has possibly the best arm in the history of the game. You want him in right.
Dang, I was hoping he'd last until my next pick. So close!
I was hoping the same. Way to ruin a Randy Johnson-Ken Griffey Jr reunion Philo!
I'll trade you Seaver for Johnson. Then we still get the reunion and I get the pitcher I really wanted. Everyone wins!
If it wasn't for injuries after he left M's, you might have the two best CFers. My wife's family is from Seattle, so her favorite team is the Mariners. She used to have a shirt with the iconic moment of beating the Yankees in the ALDS with her two all-time favorite players teaming up: Edgar Martinez's double driving in Griffey from first base for the walk-off win.
Nooooo!
You already had two outfielders. You can't have Mays and Griffey!
Philo's gonna need that outfield for the ages because his infield and pitching staff won't be doing his defense any favors.
He literally has all of history (minus 3-4 dozen greats) to pick from -- why couldn't he also have the best fielding infield/pitching money doesn't have to buy? He's not going to get stuck with Thome at 3B.
Right. I feel like I'll still be okay. I might even take a 4th OF next pick...
Just a little trash talking. Plus 28 more players will be off the board before Philo picks again.
Oh, I understand, but you could take a few hundred off the board and still have awesome IF defenders to choose from.
I wasn't sure I made the right pick, but the wailing lets me know I did.
When I used to play fantasy football, sometimes we'd pretend to be annoyed at someone else's pick so that felt good about taking a kicker in the 4th round.
I'm as upset as I can be in a make believe draft. I've been looking at everyone's rosters to try to figure out what I'd get these last two rounds. I targeted Paige and Griffey. I took a look at Philo's roster and figured I would definitely have Griffey in the 5th round so I'd take Paige in the 4th.
There are a lot of picks between now and my next pick so I have to be careful. There are a lot of good corner outfielders available but I only see a couple guys in this range whose main position was centerfield. Our nation turns its lonely eyes to my next pick.
I feel your pain. At least you will be well-caffeinated.
I was sooo close to not going Griffey. And I seriously considered DiMaggio instead too. I think this is a really good pick.
I figured my next pick would be easy: Griffey or DiMaggio. The two people in front of me won't BOTH take one of those, right? Back to the drawing board...
I was expecting to be able to take an all-time great centerfielder here, and had two possible targets all planned out, but the last two picks took that away. So I considered some other centerfielders, someone to shore up the outfield defense. I thought about a defensive infielder instead, since there are a number of elite defenders left, including at least one often considered to be the best ever at their position. I thought of maybe trying to mix some speed into the lineup. I've only got one pitcher so far, maybe that was the way to go.
Then I threw that all out, and decided to launch some more dingers.
Second ever to hit 500 homers, and youngest to reach that mark up until ARod. Three-time MVP, led the AL in homers 4 times, and with better weather he would have tied The Babe's 60 home run season; he hit 60 in 1932, but two occurred in games that ended up being rained out, and therefore didn't count. His bat will look pretty nice in a lineup following Barry Bonds.
Plus, cool last name.
Chicks love the long ball.
Hence, he was the real-life inspiration for the movie character who once told a boy to "avoid the clap"
Might be a bit of a reach at this point, but if you're going to reach, might as well be for the undisputed best ever at his position.
Thanks for not stealing my guy.
::shaking head::
Literally the whole premise of this draft was "prove Rivera won't go in the top 100."
I was really hoping you'd select him with your seventh round pick.
Point JoePos
Hit machine, speed, great character. Just think if he had started his MLB career at age 23?
When I said I might take 4th OF with my next pick, this was who I was thinking about.
He wasn't getting past me.
He wouldn't have gotten to you. Excellent pick, free!
For those who have not seen it, Howard Sinker tweeted his HOF ballot. I had two questions.
First, no Petitte? He only picked 9, so this was not a case of getting squeezed out.
Second, Billy Wagner and Jeff Kent?
Wagner is way down on the WAR list for relievers (15th). Kent is even further down for 2bs (19th). I mean, if you commit for Kent, you are committed for Robinson Cano, Chase Utley and...(drum roll) Ian Kinsler! (The three active 2bs above Kent, all of whom also have much better WAR7 scores).
Wagner? If you vote for him, you basically are committed to voting for Joe Nathan (1 WAR behind, but 1.9 ahead on WAR7). I mean, we love Twitchy, but that's a big Hall.
I'm lukewarm on Kent because of the bad defense, but I'd vote Wagner for sure. I don't like WAR that much for relievers. Wagner has the lowest WHIP in the history of baseball and he retired when he was still great. He's also got a great story, including breaking his dominant arm twice as a kid and then learning how to throw with his left.
If we're talking about great stories, you can't leave out the time Kent broke his wrist while "washing his truck"
Yes to that.
Plus, electing Kent but not Bonds....
(To be clear, not a criticism of Howard's ballot; he voted for Bonds and Clemens; I just think Kent has a weak case)
(Also, to be clear, Howard sent me a very nice dm where he offered some rationale. I invited him to come by the basement some time).
He voted for Walker & Rolen & not Vizquel, so he passes the test for me this year.
His BR page reminds me of Chipper Jones. There's a bit more black ink but still not much. Most of it was from his walks. He however has a lot of gray ink. Never the best, tough to do in the NL in 50s and 60s, but always close to the top.
Great pick! I was hoping to snag him this round.
Perhaps my favorite part of the draft is unfamiliarity with the players. I'm sure I've never opened Mathews's BR page prior to this week.
My grandfather grew up a Brooklyn Dodgers fan, but started following the Braves when they moved out from Boston. He was a big-time baseball card collector when I was a kid, and other than a few pennants, had three things hanging on the wall in his baseball card room: a framed display of the Dodgers' starting lineup from (I'm guessing) 1949, with baseball cards depicting the players; a huge poster of Stan Musial (because Polish); and a framed version of this Sports Illustrated cover:
Well, this is my first selection where I go, "huh, no one took him yet?"
There's a starting pitcher I have my eye on, but he might make it to my next pick and I'm pretty darn sure this guy won't.
Asked once what hobbies he had, he replied, "Just washing the dishes, I guess."
1st Base or 3rd?
"I don't know." "THIRD BASE!"
Yeah, what Rhu says- third base!
Better hope your pitchers don't allow any groundballs!
Or left field.
Timely, as I came across the set of 10 bobbleheads that I bought for that Hurricane Katrina fundraiser way back in the day.
They were still in the box. Now they're on top of my desk. They look nice.
A pitcher is going to have to wait. There are precious few inner circle outfielders left, and this guy is definitely one of them. He ended his career in fourth place in care home runs, and, of course, he was MVP in both the AL and NL.
jerkface
He probably would not have gotten past me.
So, this is the last of the 3 guys I was thinking of. I kind of wish I was in the draft, as I have someone in mind who has been overlooked who I would love to have on my team. Probably would have picked him by now. My guess, in this draft, he will be picked late in the 6th or early 7th.
We are running low on inner-circle type guys. Somehow, this one slid to me.
4th LF all-time for rWAR and WAR7, with a big dropoff after him. Lots of black ink. He was an on-base and SLG machine during the 1960s. Played the Mahnstah like a fiddle, leading the league in OF Assists 8 times. His home/away splits were pretty big, but...
Jerkface
Still available:the runaway all-time leader in dWAR for LFers.
I'll let you take him
Well, gotta take the last position player with over 100 WAR. By all accounts was universally loved, too.
jerkface
Woo
In the historic Diamond Mind reenactment league I was in, Ott was a long-time member of Greg Tamer's Cincinnati Reds. We always went out of the way to play our series head-to-head online whenever possible, so I was probably tormented by Ott online at least 100 times a few years ago.
Great timing. Kind of stunning a guy with 100+ WAR dropped this deep. I probably let the Polo Grounds get too deeply into my head with Ott.
interesting that he hit for so much higher average on the road, but he walked a LOT more (and slugged much better) at home.
Well, Polo was ripe for triples and home runs down the line.
Oh, one more thing - he's the first player we've drafted whose grave I have visited. It's in a very conspicuous spot in Metairie Cemetery where it can be seen every time a car drives by on Interstate 10 in New Orleans .
Obviously a great pick at this stage.
Despite all the black and gray ink, he never finished higher than 3rd in MVP voting. One of the disadvantages of playing in the era prior to the Cy Young Award, plus no respect for OBP.
86-across in today's Sunday NYTimes crossword
My rotation is now
He lost three early years to WWII service, was ridiculously durable, won a couple of ERA titles, and had a whole bunch of seasons in which his teammates scored enough runs for him to win 20 games.
I loved using him in Earl Weaver
so, your strategy is run support? 🙂
I'm going back to dingers and I really wanted to get one of my all time favorites.
Nuts. He’s Mrs. Hayes’ all-time favorite player. I was planning to pick him soon.
And for good reason. I'm not sure we'll ever see such a gentlemanly masher the likes of him again.
Yep. He was a strong contender for my previous pick.
Like the Eddie Mathews one above, your pick is on one of the greatest SI baseball-centric covers:
I would pay good money for a reasonably large print of just that photo for my basement bar.
Yup. I was also at that game, which was also my first time at Target Field.
If 11"x14" isn't large enough, there are some options if you don't mind a DIY print. You scan the cover, up-size it to your desired size, and then find somewhere to make a print. Going only 2x there are a lot of algorithms used in classic games that could work. Beyond that, I recall a Photoshop plugin from decades ago that could do much higher increases. There could be free/cheaper versions by now.
That would be an option, but I’d just like the photo — no text or SI wordmark.
Then you're in a quandary
That picture's my computer desktop image. My students regularly ask if I'm a Giants fan, based on the colors of The Gentleman's uniform colors.
First base?
I mean, I'd prefer catcher I suppose.
Going to be awkward for him to line up next to Jackie Robinson on defense
gah. i was just looking at numbers.
I mean, George Wallace remade himself (his public image, anyway), so....
Since I did't get in on the Round 3 catcher bonanza and since Killer & Thome are no longer available. Consistency and longevity thy name is "Pudge".
I have to be honest when it was my turn I thought he was already taken
It really was between him & Griffey for me.