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Is an open-faced roast beef sandwich just a variant on regular roast beef? Or does the use of gravy put it in a separate class with the likes of the hot turkey commercial? Are they sandwiches or just entrees? Important questions remain unresolved.
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To me, an open faced sandwich - especially one with gravy, is not a sandwich.
And is certainly less of a sandwich than a hotdog. Which is less of a sandwich than a hamburger.
Yeah, I would say a sammich prerequisite is something you pickup with your hands and eat.
The peperoncino (who is nearly 7) insists on picking up his noodles with his hands and eating them, but noodles definitely are not a sandwich.
Also, if anyone has any tips on getting kids who are well beyond toddlerhood to consistently use their silverware, I'd greatly appreciate it! 🙄
We used public school.
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One could eat a croque monsieur with one’s hands, but a croque madame seems far less likely to be eaten with the hands. Yet, the difference is simply a poached or over-easy egg. Both are closed-face.
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I don't know that actual use of the hands is the critical factor, so much as theoretical use of hands, which is accomplished by the form of being "closed" between bread (etc.) on both sides.
Indeed, the notion of a hot dog or gyro or taco as a sandwich to me seems faulty because the form there is not "sandwiching" between two slices of bread (etc.), but rather wrapping bread (etc.) around the filling.
It's a question of form, not function.
Got it. Calzones are sandwiches. Pizzas are then either open-faced sandwiches or tacos.
Oh man, this whole thing is one of my proudest achievements on this site.
I'm good with that. I'm a big hall kind of sandwich guy.
I think of a Calzone as being folded around. Additionally, one could probably make a stipulation that the outer bread layer must require no cooking after filling. It must be a finished product in its own right.
Grilled cheese would like a word.
The exception that proves the rule?
you've never had a panini?
The other exception that proves the rule?
I do think there is something different about a grilled cheese and a panini than an uncooked dough being subsequently baked around ingredients. I think the key is require no cooking. Uncooked, a grilled cheese is a cheese sandwich. A panini is a whatever-type-of-filling sandwich. The sandwiching material is a complete, edible thing in its own right.
Unless you need au jus/kidding kidding.
I'm not gonna lie, all this talk the last few days had made me really want a good french dip.
So two slices of pizza stacked with toppings inside makes a sandwich.
Mmm, pizza sandwich...
The phrase "being sandwiched" is being between two things. Ergo, an open-face anything cannot be a sandwich.
On the surface, I'd consider a hamburger a sandwich, but that just opens too many doors. Pluto is a dwarf planet.
Yeah, hamburgers to me are their own thing - they are a sandwich which has transcended sandwichdom.
A patty melt is a hamburger.
Yeah, like I mentioned yesterday, including patty melts on that list is a little questionable if you're not opening that whole section up.
Though, I'm sure one could make some form of argument that patty melt =/= hamburger. You know, I don't know where I fall...
I think the big difference here (and it's not THAT big) is a patty melt is served on two slices of bread, not on a hamburger bun.
It is. And I found its inclusion to be erroneous and did not consider it in my voting for that reason.
So, is a hamburger bun "two slices of bread" or more like a pita?
Pedantic minds need answers.
Further supporting the "hamburgers are their own thing" thesis:
When a person thinks of a hamburger they do not necessarily think of a "completed hamburger on bun with toppings." The patty alone can be identified as a hamburger. The same is not true of other sandwiches. When you hear "Cubano" you think of the completed sandwich. Nor would you identify a pile of pulled pork and a slice of ham as a Cubano on their own. When you think of a Reuben, you think of the completed sandwich. When you think of a French Dip you think of, well, whatever lesser-form-of-a-sandwich that thing is. (::ducks::). A pile of ham or turkey or roast beef does not themselves a sandwich make. But a hamburger patty is a hamburger. So we know this must be something different than a regular sandwich.
pulled pork kinda defeats that argument, doesn't it?
I don't know that it does, or that it does any more so than any filling that is used in multiple ways, one of them being a sandwich. The difference being the specificity one uses in referring to the use, and whether the sandwich name is an abbreviation which leaves off the word "sandwich". So you will hear people say "pulled pork sandwich" or "ham sandwich". But you never hear someone say "hamburger sandwich".
You just know that the person/people responsible for that chart are just laughing and laughing...
While I wouldn’t describe SOS or bruschetta as a sandwich, I do put both the open-face horseshoe and the white house sandwich in the “sandwich” category.
Maybe we've been too hard on the guy, and he just had some growing up to do, and now he's started to do that?
Nah, he's still an assclown, though a shrewd one...
I concur
Why? All I remember is him throwing the baseball after he got pulled one time.
I admire the way he dealt with his lack of success against Kepler.
He has a long list of jackassery.
One man's jackass is another mans colorful character.
There was a thing with a female fan where he was awful. There have been some political comments.
His starting point was certainly bad. This is why I'm hopeful for growth. My starting point wasn't so enlightened either, and if you threw professional baseballdom at me, I'm guessing my learning curve would have been a bit slower too.
He also has a particular form of training and has refused to change. That's why Cleveland was able to trade for him. Arizona had enough of him and dumped him.
In my head he has been a bigger star than history and stats would suggest. 2017-2018 recency bias. So, just kind of a loudmouth, then.
I remember that now.
Wasn't that all quite a while ago? Everything out there in the last year or so seems alright.
(Then again, I'm selective in what I've read.)
For that small sliver of the Venn diagram:
i know i'm hitting a somewhat small overlap here, but if neil young's music game was a basketball game, whose game would it be?
Dude has been prolific, brilliant, odd, difficult, highly influential, a mentor. And without the public acclaim that his body of work merits. But also relevant FOR EVER.
I was going to suggest Connie Hawkins, but not enduring enough. Dennis Rodman is too one-note and perhaps too "out there."
I think I have it: Rick Barry. Falls short on the mentor/influencer fronts. But brilliant, mercurial, not exactly loved or appreciated fully for his greatness on the court. Also, was a really good color commentator. And I guess fathering two NBA players and a third who was a significant NCAA tourney star might count for "influential."
I was going to say Pistol Pete.
Pete was definitely high on the creativity and "mercurial" scales, and hugely productive. Not quite the longevity, perhaps. Arguably more influential on the game than Barry, I suppose. He brought so much flair to the NBA at a time when it was in real need of that. In some ways, a precursor to both Magic Johnson's Showtime and Jason (White Chocolate) Williams.
But a volume shooter on bad teams.
His biggest impact might have been the haul the Hawks got (and squandered) for trading him:
May 20, 1974: Traded by the Atlanta Hawks to the New Orleans Jazz for Bob Kauffman, Dean Meminger, a 1974 1st round draft pick (Mike Sojourner was later selected), a 1975 1st round draft pick (David Thompson was later selected), a 1975 2nd round draft pick (Bill Willoughby was later selected), a 1976 2nd round draft pick (Alex English was later selected) and a 1980 3rd round draft pick (Jonathan Moore was later selected).
Sojourner was a poor-man's Jon Koncak. But imagine David Thompson and Alex English (two future HOFers) in Atlanta.
Neither ever played for Atlanta. David Thompson signed with the then-ABA Nuggets instead. And English?
June 5, 1975: Traded by the Atlanta Hawks (as a future 1976 2nd round draft pick) with a 1976 2nd round draft pick (Bayard Forrest was later selected) to the Milwaukee Bucks. Atlanta was penalized for signing Milwaukee draft pick Julius Erving in 1972.
Didn't realize that DSPAN2 is now off the air. Happy retirement, Denard!
The twins were (have been) blessed with a lot of great CF.
Almost makes up for their bad shortstops.
DSPAN and Revere were not superstars, but they were MLB players for many years - that's something.
Them being on the low end of regulars is nice
Needed this today. Thanks squad.
APM and MPR "will end national production" of Live From Here.
Holy crap. Yep. Some very fat salaries listed in there.
"Let's do the numbers!"
I greatly prefer David Brancacchio if I'm going to listen to someone read press releases from Wall Street while vaguely pretending the economy can entirely be captured by the stock market.
Kai Ryssdall is really good, IMO. He gets that the stock market is not the economy. Does lots of interesting interviews. I love Marketplace.
But, damn. That's a lot of scratch for that executive team. Just maybe they could run a bit leaner and save some lower-level jobs?
.... capital gonna capital.
Also, the canning of Lewis Wallace by Marketplace was very poor. Who knows, it might even be illegal as of this week!
Secret lurker?
My wife just made an egg sandwich using a hotdog bun.. it’s time to get back to work, tell us when and where!! #LetTheKidsPlay
Okay, after we get sandwiches all sorted out, can we determine if breakfast burritos actually qualify as burritos? Because I say they're more of a wrap, which makes them closer to sandwiches than burritos.
The breakfast burrito sandwich is the Bacon, Egg, and Cheese, btw.
Ooo. ♥️
i think the best breakfast burrito i've had was when i was hungover in milwaukee with meat.
Omg. That was a good breakfast. I think I had a beer with that burrito.
dido.
My organization just decided this morning to make Juneteenth a paid holiday (in addition to the other ones we have, not in place of any). Man, I love where I work.
That's just wrong. And cool.
?
Juneteenth? Gotta be something better to pin it on.
?
Better than the holiday celebrating the end of slavery?
TIL!
Mr. NaCl works at a nonprofit and they're getting Juneteenth as a paid holiday for the first time this year.
I work at a company that has many good things about it, but we just got MLK day as a paid holiday earlier this year, so I'm not expecting that's going to happen with Juneteenth anytime soon.
Yeah, my wife's company gets Presidents Day but not MLK Day, and senior leadership has said openly said they're not planning on talking about George Floyd or racism with any of the employees, and probably 30% of the employees are POC
I've long argued for one federal holiday per month. Americans, by and large, work too much.
Juneteenth is the perfect holiday for June.
Election day should be a holiday. Or, better yet, allow more mail-in voting.
don't you mean "And, better yet, ..."
Works for me!
Current
New Year's Day
MLK, Jr. Day
Washington's Birthday/President's Day
Memorial Day
Independence Day
Labor Day Monday
Columbus Day^
Veterans Day
Thanksgiving Day
Christmas Day
To Be Added
Cesar Chavez Day (March 31)
Juneteenth
Voting Day
^Indigenous Persons Day (rebranding Columbus Day)
Need something in April still.
Need something in April still.
😏
I mean, it's practically a holiday already.
How about August?
Would be nice to celebrate Labor Day on the same day as the rest of the world.
April? Opening Day, of course.
Will there ever be an opening day again?
This.
FSN is showing Paul Molitor's 3000th hit game tonight.
One of the oldest statues of Columbus in the US has been taken down, and a suggested replacement was Marconi, born in sister city Bologna. Sure, why not?
Is an open-faced roast beef sandwich just a variant on regular roast beef? Or does the use of gravy put it in a separate class with the likes of the hot turkey commercial? Are they sandwiches or just entrees? Important questions remain unresolved.
The Co'C topic that keeps on giving!
To me, an open faced sandwich - especially one with gravy, is not a sandwich.
And is certainly less of a sandwich than a hotdog. Which is less of a sandwich than a hamburger.
Yeah, I would say a sammich prerequisite is something you pickup with your hands and eat.
The peperoncino (who is nearly 7) insists on picking up his noodles with his hands and eating them, but noodles definitely are not a sandwich.
Also, if anyone has any tips on getting kids who are well beyond toddlerhood to consistently use their silverware, I'd greatly appreciate it! 🙄
We used public school.
All the
s
HiYo!!
One could eat a croque monsieur with one’s hands, but a croque madame seems far less likely to be eaten with the hands. Yet, the difference is simply a poached or over-easy egg. Both are closed-face.
🤔🤔🤔
I don't know that actual use of the hands is the critical factor, so much as theoretical use of hands, which is accomplished by the form of being "closed" between bread (etc.) on both sides.
Indeed, the notion of a hot dog or gyro or taco as a sandwich to me seems faulty because the form there is not "sandwiching" between two slices of bread (etc.), but rather wrapping bread (etc.) around the filling.
It's a question of form, not function.
Got it. Calzones are sandwiches. Pizzas are then either open-faced sandwiches or tacos.
Oh man, this whole thing is one of my proudest achievements on this site.
I'm good with that. I'm a big hall kind of sandwich guy.
I think of a Calzone as being folded around. Additionally, one could probably make a stipulation that the outer bread layer must require no cooking after filling. It must be a finished product in its own right.
Grilled cheese would like a word.
The exception that proves the rule?
you've never had a panini?
The other exception that proves the rule?
I do think there is something different about a grilled cheese and a panini than an uncooked dough being subsequently baked around ingredients. I think the key is require no cooking. Uncooked, a grilled cheese is a cheese sandwich. A panini is a whatever-type-of-filling sandwich. The sandwiching material is a complete, edible thing in its own right.
Unless you need au jus/kidding kidding.
I'm not gonna lie, all this talk the last few days had made me really want a good french dip.
So two slices of pizza stacked with toppings inside makes a sandwich.
Mmm, pizza sandwich...
The phrase "being sandwiched" is being between two things. Ergo, an open-face anything cannot be a sandwich.
On the surface, I'd consider a hamburger a sandwich, but that just opens too many doors. Pluto is a dwarf planet.
Yeah, hamburgers to me are their own thing - they are a sandwich which has transcended sandwichdom.
A patty melt is a hamburger.
Yeah, like I mentioned yesterday, including patty melts on that list is a little questionable if you're not opening that whole section up.
Though, I'm sure one could make some form of argument that patty melt =/= hamburger. You know, I don't know where I fall...
I think the big difference here (and it's not THAT big) is a patty melt is served on two slices of bread, not on a hamburger bun.
It is. And I found its inclusion to be erroneous and did not consider it in my voting for that reason.
So, is a hamburger bun "two slices of bread" or more like a pita?
Pedantic minds need answers.
Further supporting the "hamburgers are their own thing" thesis:
When a person thinks of a hamburger they do not necessarily think of a "completed hamburger on bun with toppings." The patty alone can be identified as a hamburger. The same is not true of other sandwiches. When you hear "Cubano" you think of the completed sandwich. Nor would you identify a pile of pulled pork and a slice of ham as a Cubano on their own. When you think of a Reuben, you think of the completed sandwich. When you think of a French Dip you think of, well, whatever lesser-form-of-a-sandwich that thing is. (::ducks::). A pile of ham or turkey or roast beef does not themselves a sandwich make. But a hamburger patty is a hamburger. So we know this must be something different than a regular sandwich.
pulled pork kinda defeats that argument, doesn't it?
I don't know that it does, or that it does any more so than any filling that is used in multiple ways, one of them being a sandwich. The difference being the specificity one uses in referring to the use, and whether the sandwich name is an abbreviation which leaves off the word "sandwich". So you will hear people say "pulled pork sandwich" or "ham sandwich". But you never hear someone say "hamburger sandwich".
You just know that the person/people responsible for that chart are just laughing and laughing...
While I wouldn’t describe SOS or bruschetta as a sandwich, I do put both the open-face horseshoe and the white house sandwich in the “sandwich” category.
I love all of this so much.
The summer solstice is coming soon, hj.
Once again, I found Trevor Bauer to be spot-on.
Maybe we've been too hard on the guy, and he just had some growing up to do, and now he's started to do that?
Nah, he's still an assclown, though a shrewd one...
I concur
Why? All I remember is him throwing the baseball after he got pulled one time.
I admire the way he dealt with his lack of success against Kepler.
He has a long list of jackassery.
One man's jackass is another mans colorful character.
There was a thing with a female fan where he was awful. There have been some political comments.
His starting point was certainly bad. This is why I'm hopeful for growth. My starting point wasn't so enlightened either, and if you threw professional baseballdom at me, I'm guessing my learning curve would have been a bit slower too.
He also has a particular form of training and has refused to change. That's why Cleveland was able to trade for him. Arizona had enough of him and dumped him.
In my head he has been a bigger star than history and stats would suggest. 2017-2018 recency bias. So, just kind of a loudmouth, then.
I remember that now.
Wasn't that all quite a while ago? Everything out there in the last year or so seems alright.
(Then again, I'm selective in what I've read.)
For that small sliver of the Venn diagram:
Hoo boy. Neil Young in basketball game form?
Dude has been prolific, brilliant, odd, difficult, highly influential, a mentor. And without the public acclaim that his body of work merits. But also relevant FOR EVER.
I was going to suggest Connie Hawkins, but not enduring enough. Dennis Rodman is too one-note and perhaps too "out there."
I think I have it: Rick Barry. Falls short on the mentor/influencer fronts. But brilliant, mercurial, not exactly loved or appreciated fully for his greatness on the court. Also, was a really good color commentator. And I guess fathering two NBA players and a third who was a significant NCAA tourney star might count for "influential."
I was going to say Pistol Pete.
Pete was definitely high on the creativity and "mercurial" scales, and hugely productive. Not quite the longevity, perhaps. Arguably more influential on the game than Barry, I suppose. He brought so much flair to the NBA at a time when it was in real need of that. In some ways, a precursor to both Magic Johnson's Showtime and Jason (White Chocolate) Williams.
But a volume shooter on bad teams.
His biggest impact might have been the haul the Hawks got (and squandered) for trading him:
Sojourner was a poor-man's Jon Koncak. But imagine David Thompson and Alex English (two future HOFers) in Atlanta.
Neither ever played for Atlanta. David Thompson signed with the then-ABA Nuggets instead. And English?
Didn't realize that DSPAN2 is now off the air. Happy retirement, Denard!
The twins were (have been) blessed with a lot of great CF.
Almost makes up for their bad shortstops.
DSPAN and Revere were not superstars, but they were MLB players for many years - that's something.
Them being on the low end of regulars is nice
Needed this today. Thanks squad.
APM and MPR "will end national production" of Live From Here.
And that's not all.
Kai Ryssdall makes $400K/yr?
Am I reading that right?
Holy crap. Yep. Some very fat salaries listed in there.
"Let's do the numbers!"
I greatly prefer David Brancacchio if I'm going to listen to someone read press releases from Wall Street while vaguely pretending the economy can entirely be captured by the stock market.
Kai Ryssdall is really good, IMO. He gets that the stock market is not the economy. Does lots of interesting interviews. I love Marketplace.
But, damn. That's a lot of scratch for that executive team. Just maybe they could run a bit leaner and save some lower-level jobs?
.... capital gonna capital.
Also, the canning of Lewis Wallace by Marketplace was very poor. Who knows, it might even be illegal as of this week!
Secret lurker?
A hamburger is definitely a sandwich.
Also a gyro is a sandwich.
Okay, after we get sandwiches all sorted out, can we determine if breakfast burritos actually qualify as burritos? Because I say they're more of a wrap, which makes them closer to sandwiches than burritos.
The breakfast burrito sandwich is the Bacon, Egg, and Cheese, btw.
Ooo. ♥️
i think the best breakfast burrito i've had was when i was hungover in milwaukee with meat.
Omg. That was a good breakfast. I think I had a beer with that burrito.
dido.
My organization just decided this morning to make Juneteenth a paid holiday (in addition to the other ones we have, not in place of any). Man, I love where I work.
That's just wrong. And cool.
?
Juneteenth? Gotta be something better to pin it on.
?
Better than the holiday celebrating the end of slavery?
TIL!
Mr. NaCl works at a nonprofit and they're getting Juneteenth as a paid holiday for the first time this year.
I work at a company that has many good things about it, but we just got MLK day as a paid holiday earlier this year, so I'm not expecting that's going to happen with Juneteenth anytime soon.
Yeah, my wife's company gets Presidents Day but not MLK Day, and senior leadership has said openly said they're not planning on talking about George Floyd or racism with any of the employees, and probably 30% of the employees are POC
I've long argued for one federal holiday per month. Americans, by and large, work too much.
Juneteenth is the perfect holiday for June.
Election day should be a holiday. Or, better yet, allow more mail-in voting.
don't you mean "And, better yet, ..."
Works for me!
Current
New Year's Day
MLK, Jr. Day
Washington's Birthday/President's Day
Memorial Day
Independence Day
Labor Day Monday
Columbus Day^
Veterans Day
Thanksgiving Day
Christmas Day
To Be Added
Cesar Chavez Day (March 31)
Juneteenth
Voting Day
^Indigenous Persons Day (rebranding Columbus Day)
Need something in April still.
Need something in April still.
😏
I mean, it's practically a holiday already.
How about August?
Would be nice to celebrate Labor Day on the same day as the rest of the world.
April? Opening Day, of course.
Will there ever be an opening day again?
This.
FSN is showing Paul Molitor's 3000th hit game tonight.
One of the oldest statues of Columbus in the US has been taken down, and a suggested replacement was Marconi, born in sister city Bologna. Sure, why not?