Trade deadline is at 5pm. I think I'm with a lot of you guys in that I don't want the Twins to make a big, splashy move.
70 thoughts on “August 2, 2022: Last Call”
Jorge Lopez to the Twins. Don't know the return yet, but that's a heck of a first step.
Looks like Cade Povich, Yennier Cano, Juan Nunez, and Juan Rojas in return. Povich ranked as the Twins' 22nd best prospect on Fangraphs' list. Cano was 38th.
Lopez two remaining years of control, so hopefully his 2022 turnaround is for real.
Looks like FanGraphs’ evaluators felt Povich was a bit hard to project, but might eventually wind up as a 4/5 rotation arm.
If López can maintain his comeback, this seems pretty okay given the dire need and how he fits. No more Pagán or Duffman in high-leverage situations, I hope…
how does the 40-man/active roster shake out? I know Cano was at least out there
The Twins page has him listed on the 40-player roster but not on the active roster yet. My quick count says there are 40 players (I skipped the IL-60 players) right now.
I believe that’s accurate. My understanding is that every position player on the 40-man is currently on the 26-man, too. If there’s a non-IL roster move coming, it seems like Cotton is the likely DFA candidate, with Smith (via release) or Beckham next in the right circumstances.
The first time I read it, I my brain inserted Pablo López instead, and I flinched at the likely acquisition cost.
There's a guy who really benefited from moving to the bullpen.
So hj, do you consider this a "big splashy move"? I like that Lopez isn't a one-off, and I don't think I'll miss any of the outgoing guys.
i had him as a closer (which you can still stash in an SP spot) in one of my fantasy leagues, so i get to root for him more i guess.
I wrote about Jorge López as a reliever the #MNTwins should target, but assumed it was unlikely because of the high expected price tag. https://t.co/0yQTaZCD7p
To get 2.5 seasons of López for their #20 prospect and a couple low-minors lottery ticket arms seems like a clear win. pic.twitter.com/03ztgVz45a
I just got to put Jacob DeGrom into my lineup for the first time. Had a feeling with echoes of Bruce Banner in Infinity War: "You guys are so screwed now!"
I'm well aware it's not a game changer with two months left in the season (and acknowledging how things ended up for the Avengers there)...but amusing anyhow.
Here’s the Cartwheel Galaxy in a whole new light — as a composite image from 2 instruments on the Webb telescope. Webb uniquely offers not just a snapshot of the galaxy’s current state, but also a peek into its past & future: https://t.co/QdXPwAwwacpic.twitter.com/SJD3wTxwRP
If the Padres, THE PADRES!, can carry a $200 million + payroll there is no excuse for any other team to be penny pinchers.
You're assuming they can carry a $200M+ payroll.
According to b-r they are at $206 before the Soto trade and Hosmer not involved in the trade.
The Padres’ opening day payroll was $211 million. I don’t think they have either the prospects left or the savvy to Tom Sawyer another club into eating the boogers of Hosmer’s or Myers’ contracts.
Red Sox just want to nibble the boogah without spoiling their appetite? Or did they think Preller said he’d treat them to a burger?
I'm off to a meeting soon so I may miss the announcement until I get back but I'm hearing some rumblings that Carlos Rodon heading to the Twins.
🤞🤞🤞
From the little I've seen ChiSox fans are already prepping to jump from skyscrapers upon hearing of a Twins/Rodon deal.
Oh, so much this. My ChiSox friend has been bitching about them not re-signing Rodon all season so this would just kill him.
With Mahle, does that mean no Rodon?
Worth noting, the last time the Padres traded a young shortstop to DC, it was Trea Turner. That deal, via b-ref:
As part of a 3-team trade, traded Jake Bauers, Rene Rivera and Burch Smith to the Tampa Bay Rays and a player to be named later and Joe Ross to the Washington Nationals. Received Jose Castillo, Ryan Hanigan, Wil Myers and Gerardo Reyes from the Tampa Bay Rays. In addition, the Washington Nationals sent Travis Ott (minors) and Steven Souza Jr. to the Tampa Bay Rays. The San Diego Padres sent Trea Turner (June 14, 2015) to the Washington Nationals to complete the trade.
And Turner then spent three months with the Padres despite being a National.
That turned out to not be a good deal. Turned definitely "hit" immediately but Myers at least wasn't a total bust (but the extension was).
Its happening
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
·
The Minnesota Twins are finalizing a deal to acquire right-hander Tyler Mahle from the Cincinnati Reds, sources tell ESPN. Two hitting prospects and one pitching prospect are expected to be the return once the deal gets through medical review.
C. Trent Rosecrans
@ctrent
#Reds getting Spencer Steer, Christian Encarncion-Strand, and Steven Hajjar
That's a really good trade. Seth Stohs is going to be pissed.
I've been hearing about Steer and Encarncion-Strand all year. You mean it's a really good trade for whom?
The Twins. Getting a good starting pitcher who they'll still have next year without giving up a top 15 prospect? Feels like a win.
I agree with this. FanGraphs ranked Steer #8 today but he ranked 16th preseason. Steven Hajjar ranked 23rd preseason, now #22, and Encarnacion-Strand isn't on the Twins top 40. None of these players had particularly high FV either.
That all makes sense! Makes me feel better.
Different than the Gleeman rankings, however, not that his rankings should supersede any of the others by any means.
I think Miranda’s production & poise, plus drafting/signing Brooks Lee, made Steer & CES easier to part with at this point. I am pleased they didn’t trade Edouard Julien.
Agreed. This feels like a huge win. I mean, it's nice to have a well-ranked farm system and all (and the Twins are pretty middling, by most accounts I've read), but based on last years' Berrios trade, there's plenty of evidence that well-ranked prospects don't necessarily hold their value...
These are trades that turned liabilities into assets, not just slightly upgraded a couple spots.
Not to skip into next season, but a rotation of Mahle/Gray/Ryan/Kenta/(winder? Ober? someone else?) looks pretty nice.
Don’t forget Paddack, assuming a healthy recovery (not a guarantee, I know).
Dobnak, etc -- some latent depth as well
Ah, good call. Yeah, that's a nice rotation with a lot more actual depth than we've been used to the last few seasons.
Surgery in mid-May so not back until the second half/late 2023 I assume, possibly 2024.
Sandy Leon. Hmm... the price was essentially nothing, but 200% of his career rWAR comes from 2016.
I don’t think I could take Cave & Kurt Suzuki on the same active roster.
I think this makes sense. Remember when 2 was a position of strength for the Twins... With Jeffers shelved until sept? this seems like a good depth move for a contending team.
I agree. Acquiring a catcher good enough to stay on the active roster once Jeffers returns would essentially burn a roster spot. If DH is how you get Arráez, Buxton, and others a little rest, then having Sánchez and another catcher on the bench seems silly.
León is headed to St. Paul because he was outrighted to AAA earlier this month and the Twins have a significant 40-man crunch at the moment. That’s the best kind of depth they could look for, given how much Contreras or Murphy were likely to cost them.
Jorge Lopez to the Twins. Don't know the return yet, but that's a heck of a first step.
Looks like Cade Povich, Yennier Cano, Juan Nunez, and Juan Rojas in return. Povich ranked as the Twins' 22nd best prospect on Fangraphs' list. Cano was 38th.
Lopez two remaining years of control, so hopefully his 2022 turnaround is for real.
Looks like FanGraphs’ evaluators felt Povich was a bit hard to project, but might eventually wind up as a 4/5 rotation arm.
If López can maintain his comeback, this seems pretty okay given the dire need and how he fits. No more Pagán or Duffman in high-leverage situations, I hope…
how does the 40-man/active roster shake out? I know Cano was at least out there
The Twins page has him listed on the 40-player roster but not on the active roster yet. My quick count says there are 40 players (I skipped the IL-60 players) right now.
I believe that’s accurate. My understanding is that every position player on the 40-man is currently on the 26-man, too. If there’s a non-IL roster move coming, it seems like Cotton is the likely DFA candidate, with Smith (via release) or Beckham next in the right circumstances.
The first time I read it, I my brain inserted Pablo López instead, and I flinched at the likely acquisition cost.
There's a guy who really benefited from moving to the bullpen.
So hj, do you consider this a "big splashy move"? I like that Lopez isn't a one-off, and I don't think I'll miss any of the outgoing guys.
i had him as a closer (which you can still stash in an SP spot) in one of my fantasy leagues, so i get to root for him more i guess.
4 blown saves this year, 2 against the Twins
So he won't have that problem anymore.
This is a great reference with multiple layers:
but this made me laugh:
😆
Hosmer opts for no time in Washington.
The JWST just continues producing amazing stuff.
Ran this one past one of my brothers:
Sanó for Gallo, straight up, with the Yankees responsible for the buy-out on Sanó’s extension. Would you do it?
Yes.
Gallo can play some defense
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/08/dodgers-nearing-deal-for-joey-gallo.html
If the Padres, THE PADRES!, can carry a $200 million + payroll there is no excuse for any other team to be penny pinchers.
You're assuming they can carry a $200M+ payroll.
According to b-r they are at $206 before the Soto trade and Hosmer not involved in the trade.
The Padres’ opening day payroll was $211 million. I don’t think they have either the prospects left or the savvy to Tom Sawyer another club into eating the boogers of Hosmer’s or Myers’ contracts.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/08/padres-trade-eric-hosmer-red-sox.html
(Naturally SD will pay most of Hosmer's salary.)
Red Sox just want to nibble the boogah without spoiling their appetite? Or did they think Preller said he’d treat them to a burger?
I'm off to a meeting soon so I may miss the announcement until I get back but I'm hearing some rumblings that Carlos Rodon heading to the Twins.
🤞🤞🤞
From the little I've seen ChiSox fans are already prepping to jump from skyscrapers upon hearing of a Twins/Rodon deal.
Oh, so much this. My ChiSox friend has been bitching about them not re-signing Rodon all season so this would just kill him.
With Mahle, does that mean no Rodon?
Worth noting, the last time the Padres traded a young shortstop to DC, it was Trea Turner. That deal, via b-ref:
And Turner then spent three months with the Padres despite being a National.
That turned out to not be a good deal. Turned definitely "hit" immediately but Myers at least wasn't a total bust (but the extension was).
Its happening
C. Trent Rosecrans
@ctrent
#Reds getting Spencer Steer, Christian Encarncion-Strand, and Steven Hajjar
That's a really good trade. Seth Stohs is going to be pissed.
I've been hearing about Steer and Encarncion-Strand all year. You mean it's a really good trade for whom?
The Twins. Getting a good starting pitcher who they'll still have next year without giving up a top 15 prospect? Feels like a win.
I agree with this. FanGraphs ranked Steer #8 today but he ranked 16th preseason. Steven Hajjar ranked 23rd preseason, now #22, and Encarnacion-Strand isn't on the Twins top 40. None of these players had particularly high FV either.
That all makes sense! Makes me feel better.
Different than the Gleeman rankings, however, not that his rankings should supersede any of the others by any means.
Do we think that CES will be better than Miranda? Because we don't really need both on the team.
Truth.
He's really young, but he's been impressive.
I think Miranda’s production & poise, plus drafting/signing Brooks Lee, made Steer & CES easier to part with at this point. I am pleased they didn’t trade Edouard Julien.
Agreed. This feels like a huge win. I mean, it's nice to have a well-ranked farm system and all (and the Twins are pretty middling, by most accounts I've read), but based on last years' Berrios trade, there's plenty of evidence that well-ranked prospects don't necessarily hold their value...
These are trades that turned liabilities into assets, not just slightly upgraded a couple spots.
Not to skip into next season, but a rotation of Mahle/Gray/Ryan/Kenta/(winder? Ober? someone else?) looks pretty nice.
Don’t forget Paddack, assuming a healthy recovery (not a guarantee, I know).
Dobnak, etc -- some latent depth as well
Ah, good call. Yeah, that's a nice rotation with a lot more actual depth than we've been used to the last few seasons.
Surgery in mid-May so not back until the second half/late 2023 I assume, possibly 2024.
Sandy Leon. Hmm... the price was essentially nothing, but 200% of his career rWAR comes from 2016.
I don’t think I could take Cave & Kurt Suzuki on the same active roster.
I think this makes sense. Remember when 2 was a position of strength for the Twins... With Jeffers shelved until sept? this seems like a good depth move for a contending team.
I agree. Acquiring a catcher good enough to stay on the active roster once Jeffers returns would essentially burn a roster spot. If DH is how you get Arráez, Buxton, and others a little rest, then having Sánchez and another catcher on the bench seems silly.
León is headed to St. Paul because he was outrighted to AAA earlier this month and the Twins have a significant 40-man crunch at the moment. That’s the best kind of depth they could look for, given how much Contreras or Murphy were likely to cost them.
Sanó is headed back to the 60-day IL.
yet another positive trade deadline move!
Twins slip in one more at the deadline.
Remember when the Twins used to sign all the players that hit well against them? Now we've signed two relievers who blow saves against us.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/08/twins-to-acquire-michael-fulmer.html
I don't mind Cave; I just don't want to see him trotting out the CF often. He's been raking and probably earned the promotion.
I'm okay seeing Whit Merrifield in a different division.
There's a whole lot of deck chair shuffling going on.
A recap
I'm grateful for every game I got to hear him call. The was top of the charts pretty much my whole life.
❤️