That initially strikes me as a ridiculous charge. But....35 percent poverty rate for African-Americans in Minnesota, compared to 8 percent for whites in the state? Really?
But how different is that from other northern states? Is Wisconsin any better? Not that I am refuting the Jim Crow North charge, more implying that it may need to be extended well beyond the state line.
I don't know that I would consider Minnesota much worse than surrounding states.
Like North Dakota with a 50 percentage point difference.
Small sample size?
Yes.
I have questions about whether the numbers are much affected by populations that have relocated (even temporarily) from other states because of (relatively) more robust services for the poor?
there is some evidence to support the notion of relocation in light of difference in aid levels.
The signs and patterns of the estimates are consistent with the presence of welfare migration effects, and the magnitudes of the estimates are consistent with the importance of short-distance moves in welfare-induced migration flows, but most of the estimates are not statistically significant.
The magnitudes indicate importance but also not statistically significant? I don't follow.
Here's what the conclusion of the piece says. Hope it helps:
The patterns and signs of the estimates in this paper are consistent with the presence of welfare migration and also with a differentially larger welfare migration effect for those located close to state borders, although many of the estimates are statistically insignificant. The magnitudes of the effects, while imprecisely estimated indicate that sizeable differences in welfare benefits do generate sizeable changes in the migration rate of welfare-prone individuals. Because, however, the base migration rate is so low, even a sizeable change in the migration rate does not generate particularly large migration flows. This reflects the fact that the welfare-prone are a relatively immobile group. As a result, migrants will make up a relatively small fraction of any state’s caseload at a given time.
The author here seems to be reaching a bit to preserve claims about effects. But the effects are "imprecisely estimated," i.e., we lack confidence that they are "real" effects. Further, even if real, the baseline migration rate is very low, so the policy impact is low.
Interesting. Completely unscientific, but in my work with the poor I encountered what seemed to be a significant population who migrated here from WI and IL. Many often migrated back (housing cases), but experience suggests to me a substantial effect.
I wonder, too, if thought the effects were generally small, they might not show up in a bigger way in that 35% vs. 8% stat. That is, I'd be curious what the numbers looked like for MN born head of households.
Here's another article throwing out statistics with no reference point to it. 35-8 certainly sounds bad, but what is it compared to the national rate? It should be relatively even, but I'm pretty sure it's not. Also, Minnesota also has a lot more races than white and black. What about Asian or Native Americans? Also, like some others have said, what about neighboring states? Or other states with similar strong social services?
State-level poverty rates by race/ethnicity can be found here. That's Kaiser Family Foundation calculations based on Current Population Survey data from Census. They estimate 2014 black poverty at 30 pct in Minnesota, 27 pct in Wisconsin, 33 pct in Iowa. White poverty in those three states at 5 pct, 7 pct, and 9 pct, respectively. So, yea, Minnesota looks pretty comparable to their neighbor states. Ignoring the Dakotas, because Jeff A and Mrs A together constitute a significant share of the total population in the Dakotas.
National rate was 10 pct for whites, 26 pct for blacks.
edit: I see that algonad already linked to the same source, above. FWIW, KFF is a pretty highly respected operation in my world.
Wrong spot.
Ronaldo hurt in the first half and subbed out. Naturally, Portugal wins. Ewing Theory in action.
I've been smoking meats since I don't know when, and I've always taken great pride in my ability to bring a meal to the table on time. Today, I started smoking a very small boston butt for pork tacos at 7:15 AM. I did this because I haven't slept in over a month, and because I wanted this pig done before dark. It's now 9:18 PM and I finally have the butt resting on my counter top. I've never seen a stall take this long to get over. The end product has a hell of a bark, but hot damn if it didn't take all day and then some.
So I took the boys to today's protest/rally/whatever it was here in St. Anthony Village. The turnout was not especially large--maybe between 100 and 200 people. Everything was calm and peaceful. We stayed about an hour, and by that point it was getting hot and we were out of water, so we headed home.
This is the sign the jalapeño made and carried. (I don't actually know what the drawing is.)
I like the contour line drawing. Very nice. I'm sure that this will be a lasting memory for him, that's both a great and terrible thing.
I see some definite Meat Puppets/Curt Kirkwood influence:
Anyone else "watching" what's happening in San Fransisco?
Is Minnesota the "Jim Crow North"?
That initially strikes me as a ridiculous charge. But....35 percent poverty rate for African-Americans in Minnesota, compared to 8 percent for whites in the state? Really?
But how different is that from other northern states? Is Wisconsin any better? Not that I am refuting the Jim Crow North charge, more implying that it may need to be extended well beyond the state line.
I don't know anything about this organization, but it was the first thing that came up. http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/
I don't know that I would consider Minnesota much worse than surrounding states.
Like North Dakota with a 50 percentage point difference.
Small sample size?
Yes.
I have questions about whether the numbers are much affected by populations that have relocated (even temporarily) from other states because of (relatively) more robust services for the poor?
there is some evidence to support the notion of relocation in light of difference in aid levels.
and a follow-up piece by the same author.
Money quote:
The magnitudes indicate importance but also not statistically significant? I don't follow.
Here's what the conclusion of the piece says. Hope it helps:
The author here seems to be reaching a bit to preserve claims about effects. But the effects are "imprecisely estimated," i.e., we lack confidence that they are "real" effects. Further, even if real, the baseline migration rate is very low, so the policy impact is low.
Interesting. Completely unscientific, but in my work with the poor I encountered what seemed to be a significant population who migrated here from WI and IL. Many often migrated back (housing cases), but experience suggests to me a substantial effect.
I wonder, too, if thought the effects were generally small, they might not show up in a bigger way in that 35% vs. 8% stat. That is, I'd be curious what the numbers looked like for MN born head of households.
Here's another article throwing out statistics with no reference point to it. 35-8 certainly sounds bad, but what is it compared to the national rate? It should be relatively even, but I'm pretty sure it's not. Also, Minnesota also has a lot more races than white and black. What about Asian or Native Americans? Also, like some others have said, what about neighboring states? Or other states with similar strong social services?
Minnesota: 83+ pct white, 3.8 pct Hispanic, 5.4 pct African-American, 4 pct Asian, 1.1 pct American Indian/Native Alaskan, 1.8 pct multiracial, 2.4 pct "other races".
State-level poverty rates by race/ethnicity can be found here. That's Kaiser Family Foundation calculations based on Current Population Survey data from Census. They estimate 2014 black poverty at 30 pct in Minnesota, 27 pct in Wisconsin, 33 pct in Iowa. White poverty in those three states at 5 pct, 7 pct, and 9 pct, respectively. So, yea, Minnesota looks pretty comparable to their neighbor states. Ignoring the Dakotas, because Jeff A and Mrs A together constitute a significant share of the total population in the Dakotas.
National rate was 10 pct for whites, 26 pct for blacks.
edit: I see that algonad already linked to the same source, above. FWIW, KFF is a pretty highly respected operation in my world.
Wrong spot.
Ronaldo hurt in the first half and subbed out. Naturally, Portugal wins. Ewing Theory in action.
I've been smoking meats since I don't know when, and I've always taken great pride in my ability to bring a meal to the table on time. Today, I started smoking a very small boston butt for pork tacos at 7:15 AM. I did this because I haven't slept in over a month, and because I wanted this pig done before dark. It's now 9:18 PM and I finally have the butt resting on my counter top. I've never seen a stall take this long to get over. The end product has a hell of a bark, but hot damn if it didn't take all day and then some.
So I took the boys to today's protest/rally/whatever it was here in St. Anthony Village. The turnout was not especially large--maybe between 100 and 200 people. Everything was calm and peaceful. We stayed about an hour, and by that point it was getting hot and we were out of water, so we headed home.
This is the sign the jalapeño made and carried. (I don't actually know what the drawing is.)
I like the contour line drawing. Very nice. I'm sure that this will be a lasting memory for him, that's both a great and terrible thing.
I see some definite Meat Puppets/Curt Kirkwood influence:
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Anyone else "watching" what's happening in San Fransisco?
and that was the end of the no hitter.
Dominating performance by Madbum.
Aye.