Funny, I've completely lost interest in this deal now. Make it, don't make it, whatever. I just want green grass, chalk lines on dirt, a sunny blue sky, and horsehide flying around. A hot dog and beer would be nice, too.
I'd personally not want to reward the Sox' whining
If the trade still goes through in some form, that probably suggests that Boston's critics were right, and they were getting fleeced.
How many MLB trades can you name that got a do-over for that reason?
0. But obviously Boston has already succeeded in backing out of the original deal, so that's not on the table any more.
My point is that if it's still getting done, then the Dodgers & Twins must still be happy with it.
I don't think "happy" is the right word here
I don't think we can know until we know what the deal actually is. I saw somewhere that the additional player being discussed is not among the Twins' top ten prospects. As several of us suggested, giving the Red Sox a non-prospect roster filler guy, just to help them save face, might not be a bad thing.
I'm thinking a non-prospect roster filler isn't much face-saving.
Here's an odd one that the local card shop owner uncovered: which former Twin led the league in Triples once and had 35 in his career, yet was only 13 of 31 in Stolen Bases.
Jim Lemon
He must have been a pinball wizard with Griffith Stadium's odd outfield configuration. He also led the league in SO for three years and SF and IBB once, but he had a solid 117 OPS+ with the Senators/Twins.
Deals coming together. #Dodgers in agreement with #MNTwins, pending medical review - Maeda and cash would go to MIN for Graterol and another prospect. Other elements perhaps. Meanwhile, per @JeffPassan, LAD and #RedSox in agreement on Betts and Price for Verdugo-Jeter Downs-plus.
Sounds like Twins are sending back a low-level OF prospect as well.
Luke Raley
Who the Twins received from the Dodgers in the Dozier trade.
The $10 million is interesting. They didn't receive that before so are the Dodgers trying to buy a better prospect in addition to Graterol?
Looks like that’s the case. I expected Luke Raley to nudge Cave for reserve duty by next season.
Maybe. Not one of the Twins' Top 30 prospects, according to mlb.com.
As it stands, I would currently bet on Cave having a more successful career than Raley.
He was always going to top out as a fourth (and corner) outfielder for the Twins. I still like this trade a lot.
I do, too. I don't know why they felt it necessary to exchange Raley & a Comp B pick for $10 million, but I am hopeful they find a good use for that cash before too long.
Season tickets for the WGOM!
Not to come off as "the Pohlads are cheap" but legitimate question: Does anyone know where that $10m typically goes in the budget? That's a lot of scratch. Is it for player development? additional staff? Target Field enhancements? New super computer for the analytics staff?
Craig Edwards of Fangraphs said he thinks Twins did a little better than the original iteration of the trade.
The PTBNL and the $10mil for Luke Raley? Yeah, I'd agree.
Twins also gave up a draft pick between the first and second rounds. I think I've seen that those picks are generally considered to be "worth" about $4M.
Cue Al Pacino Godfather 3 quote:
Funny, I've completely lost interest in this deal now. Make it, don't make it, whatever. I just want green grass, chalk lines on dirt, a sunny blue sky, and horsehide flying around. A hot dog and beer would be nice, too.
I'd personally not want to reward the Sox' whining
If the trade still goes through in some form, that probably suggests that Boston's critics were right, and they were getting fleeced.
How many MLB trades can you name that got a do-over for that reason?
0. But obviously Boston has already succeeded in backing out of the original deal, so that's not on the table any more.
My point is that if it's still getting done, then the Dodgers & Twins must still be happy with it.
I don't think "happy" is the right word here
I don't think we can know until we know what the deal actually is. I saw somewhere that the additional player being discussed is not among the Twins' top ten prospects. As several of us suggested, giving the Red Sox a non-prospect roster filler guy, just to help them save face, might not be a bad thing.
I'm thinking a non-prospect roster filler isn't much face-saving.
Here's an odd one that the local card shop owner uncovered: which former Twin led the league in Triples once and had 35 in his career, yet was only 13 of 31 in Stolen Bases.
Sounds like Twins are sending back a low-level OF prospect as well.
Luke Raley
Who the Twins received from the Dodgers in the Dozier trade.
The $10 million is interesting. They didn't receive that before so are the Dodgers trying to buy a better prospect in addition to Graterol?
Looks like that’s the case. I expected Luke Raley to nudge Cave for reserve duty by next season.
Maybe. Not one of the Twins' Top 30 prospects, according to mlb.com.
As it stands, I would currently bet on Cave having a more successful career than Raley.
He was always going to top out as a fourth (and corner) outfielder for the Twins. I still like this trade a lot.
I do, too. I don't know why they felt it necessary to exchange Raley & a Comp B pick for $10 million, but I am hopeful they find a good use for that cash before too long.
Season tickets for the WGOM!
Not to come off as "the Pohlads are cheap" but legitimate question: Does anyone know where that $10m typically goes in the budget? That's a lot of scratch. Is it for player development? additional staff? Target Field enhancements? New super computer for the analytics staff?
Craig Edwards of Fangraphs said he thinks Twins did a little better than the original iteration of the trade.
The PTBNL and the $10mil for Luke Raley? Yeah, I'd agree.
Twins also gave up a draft pick between the first and second rounds. I think I've seen that those picks are generally considered to be "worth" about $4M.