The 50 Best Players not (yet) in the Hall of Fame

On Monday evening Graham Womack, the proprietor of Baseball: Past and Present, published his fourth annual article on the 50 best baseball players not in the Hall of Fame. Graham's list is the product of ballots submitted by over 200 readers, including yours truly (my third year voting). I counted four former Minnesota Twins on the list, but there might be a couple short-time guys I missed. Graham's piece is a massive article, but entirely worth the read.

I really enjoy the way Womack conducts this survey. Voters are first asked to identify who they believe are the best players outside the Hall of Fame (no metrics or other specific criteria are required), and secondly whether the player belongs in the Hall of Fame. This way, apart from the PED issue, there's a fairly clear delineation of where voters believe the Hall of Fame ends and the Hall of Very Good starts.

In sean's WGOM's Take on the Hall of Fame post, Doc expressed his desire to see the median Hall of Famer at each position. I've broken the positions down below, then contextualized the medians with a decent selection of players eligible for Womack's list.

Pos HOFers WAR WAR7 JAWS
C 13 52.1 (Cochrane) 32.8 (Campanella) 41.8 (Hartnett)
1b 18 60.9 (Beckley-Killebrew) 41.6 (Anson-Terry) 51.6 (Greenberg-Sisler)
2b 19 61.4 (J. Robinson) 44.3 (Frisch) 54.8 (Alomar)
3b 13 70.6 (Santo) 45.7 (B. Robinson) 57.6 (Molitor)
SS 21 66.4 (Cronin) 42.3 (O. Smith) 55.8 (Boudreau)
LF 19 60.0 (Wheat) 37.8 (Stargell) 47.6 (Medwick)
CF 18 58.5 (Hamilton-Carey) 40.9 (Dawson-Doby) 48.6 (Hamilton-Doby)
RF 24 66.5 (Gwynn-Winfield) 40.5 (Gwynn-Crawford) 53.0 (Gwynn-Winfield)
SP 57 67.2 (Drysdale) 49.9 (Coveleski) 57.5 (Marichal)
RP 5 42.0 (Gossage) 26.9 (Wilhelm) 37.0 (Gossage)

Now that we have the median HoFers at each position, let's take a position-by-position look at the induction-eligible players currently outside the Hall. Up first, catchers:

Player WAR WAR diff WAR7 WAR7 diff JAWS JAWS diff
Piazza 59.2 +7.1 43.1 +10.3 51.1 +9.3
Torre 57.4 +5.3 37.3 +4.5 47.4 +5.6
Median HoF C 52.1 (Cochrane) - 32.8 (Campanella) - 41.8 (Hartnett) -
Simmons 50.2 -1.9 34.7 +1.9 47.4 +0.7
Tenace 46.8 -3.4 34.9 +2.1 40.9 -0.9
Munson 45.9 -4.3 36.9 +4.1 41.4 -0.4
Schang 45.0 -5.2 25.2 -7.6 35.1 -6.7
Freehan 44.7 -5.5 33.7 +0.9 39.2 -2.6
Porter 40.8 -9.4 29.0 -3.8 34.9 -6.9
Parrish 39.3 -10.9 28.3 -4.5 33.8 -8

Looking at the catchers, it's pretty clear that Mike Piazza and Joe Torre easily exceed the Hall of Fame median for catchers. Ted Simmons is very close to a median Hall of Fame catcher and should be inducted. Gene Tenace is a bit more borderline, while Thurman Munson probably could be inducted via the Kirby Puckett route. So, it looks like 3-5 catchers who could be HoFers remain uninducted. Inducting all five would push the number of catchers up to 18, the number of first basemen currently in the hall.

Next, first basemen:

Player WAR WAR diff WAR7 WAR7 diff JAWS JAWS diff
Bagwell 79.5 +18.6 48.2 +6.6 63.8 +12.2
Thomas 73.6 +12.7 45.3 +3.7 59.5 +7.9
Palmeiro 71.8 +10.9 38.8 -2.8 55.3 +3.7
E. Martinez 68.3 +7.4 43.5 +1.9 55.9 +4.3
McGwire 62.0 +1.1 41.9 +0.3 52.0 +0.4
Median HoF 1b 60.9 (Beckley-Killebrew) - 41.6 (Anson-Terry) - 51.6 (Greenberg-Sisler) -
Hernandez 60.1 -0.8 41.0 -0.6 50.6 -1.0
Olerud 58.0 -2.9 38.8 -2.8 48.4 -3.2
W. Clark 56.2 -4.7 36.0 -5.6 46.1 -5.5
McGriff 52.6 -4.5 36.0 -5.6 44.3 -7.3
Cash 52.1 -8.8 33.8 -7.8 42.9 -8.7
Judge 46.9 -14 26.4 -15.2 36.7 -14.9
Mattingly 42.2 -18.7 35.7 -5.9 39.0 -12.6

Five players clearly above the HOF median: Jeff Bagwell, Frank Thomas, Edgar Martinez, Rafael Palmeiro, and Mark McGwire. If it weren't for a whisper campaign in the mediocy, Bagwell would already be in the Hall of Fame.  His stats are a grand slam in the Astrodome above the median for his position. Thomas is obviously induction-worthy, too. Even though he played third when he played defense, I included Edgar Martinez with the first basemen given how much time he spent as a designated hitter. Hall of Fame-worthy designated hitters probably should hit as well or better than first basemen. Edgar Martinez did that and then some. As for Palmeiro and McGwire, their PED use (and perhaps Palmeiro's modest peak) has kept them out of the Hall. If you're a small hall guy or would like to see candidates clear the median for their position, Keith Hernandez is currently a borderline candidate. I'm receptive to arguments either way. The rest miss the cut, though contemporaries John Olerud, Will Clark, and Fred McGriff make the Hall of Very Good or a large HoF. Don Mattingly is the Jack Morris of first basemen.

On to the keystone, where 19 second basemen have been inducted into the Hall of Fame:

Player WAR WAR diff WAR7 WAR7 diff JAWS JAWS diff
Whitaker 74.8 +13.4 37.8 -6.5 56.3 +1.5
Grich 71.0 +9.6 46.3 +2.0 58.6 +3.8
Randolph 65.6 +4.2 36.1 -8.2 50.9 -3.9
Biggio 64.9 +3.5 41.6 -2.7 53.3 -1.5
HoF median 2b 61.4 (J. Robinson) - 44.3 (Frisch) - 54.8 (Alomar) -
Kent 55.2 -6.2 35.6 -8.7 45.5 -9.3
Phillips 50.8 -10.6 33.9 -10.4 42.4 -12.4
Myer 46.9 -14.5 30.7 -13.6 38.8 -16.0
Knoblauch 44.5 -16.9 38.4 -5.9 41.5 -13.3
Franco 43.5 -17.9 30.7 -13.6 37.1 -17.7

Four players clearly above the WAR threshold for a median Hall of Fame second basemen: Lou Whitaker, Bobby Grich, Willie Randolph, and Craig Biggio. Things get a little more complicated when it comes to WAR7 and JAWS. Whitaker and Randolph suffer because their peaks were below the median. Depending on how things shake out, Craig Biggio, even with his 3,060 hits, might take a while longer to be inducted. Bobby Grich was a straight-up miss. Nobody else is truly on the fringe unless you're a large HoF fan, and then you're probably supporting Jeff Kent's induction. Julio Franco is included here as a longevity vs. brief brilliance comparison to Chuck Knoblauch. There are many ways to produce 40+ WAR in a career.

This is where things get ridiculous. While third base shares the fewest number of position player inductees (13) with the catchers, it may be the most neglected position when it comes to Hall of Fame honors:

Player WAR WAR diff WAR7 WAR7 diff JAWS JAWS diff
HoF median 3b 70.6 (Santo) - 45.7 (B. Robinson) - 57.6 (Molitor) -
Nettles 68.0 -2.6 (+7.1) 42.2 -3.5 (+0.6) 55.1 -2.5 (+3.5)
B. Bell 65.9 -4.7 (+5.0) 40.2 -5.5 (-1.4) 53.1 -4.5 (+1.5)
K. Boyer 62.9 -7.7 (+2.0) 46.4 +0.7 (+4.8) 54.6 -3.0 (+3.0)
Bando 61.6 -9.0 (+0.7) 44.4 -1.3 (+2.8) 53.0 -4.6 (+1.4)
Median HOF 1b 60.9 (-9.7) 41.6 (-4.1) 51.6 (-6.0)
Allen 58.7 -11.9 (-2.2) 46.0 +0.3 (+4.4) 52.3 -5.3 (+0.7)
Da. Evans 58.5 -12.1 (-2.4) 37.1 -8.6 (-4.5) 47.8 -9.8 (-3.8)
Ventura 55.8 -14.8 (-5.1) 38.5 -7.2 (-3.1) 47.2 -10.4 (-4.4)
Cey 53.3 -17.3 (-7.6) 36.8 -8.9 (-4.8) 45.0 -12.6 (-6.6)
Gaetti 41.8 -28.8 (-19.1) 25.0 -20.7 (-16.6) 33.4 -24.2 (-18.2)

Like I said, ridiculous. You'll note this table has two medians - the first for the median HOF third baseman, and the second for the median HOF first baseman. No third baseman currently outside the Hall of Fame meets the median for players inducted at their position. Four third basemen currently outside the Hall of Fame meet the median for players inducted at first base: Graig Nettles, Buddy Bell, Ken Boyer, and Sal Bando. Two more – Dick Allen and Darrell Evans – would be compelling borderline candidates at first base. Robin Ventura and Ron Cey had pretty solid careers and might be induction worthy if you're a large HoF fan. Gary Gaetti is included solely for local interest and appreciation of his longevity.

One position left in the infield, and the second-best (21) represented position in the HoF:

Player WAR WAR diff WAR7 WAR7 diff JAWS JAWS diff
Dahlen 75.3 +8.9 (+14.4) 40.2 -2.1 (-1.4) 57.7 +1.9 (+6.1)
Trammell 70.3 +3.9 (9.4) 44.6 +2.3 (+3.0) 57.5 +1.7 (+5.9)
HoF median SS 66.4 (Cronin) - 42.3 (O. Smith) - 55.8 (Boudreau) -
Glasscock 61.8 -4.6 (+0.9) 41.0 -1.3 (-0.6) 51.4 -4.4 (-0.2)
Median HOF 1b 60.9 (-5.5) 41.6 (-0.7) 51.6 (-4.2)
Campaneris 53.3 -13.1 (-7.6) 36.7 -5.6 (-4.9) 45.0 -15.9 (-6.6)
Fregosi 48.7 -17.7 (-12.2) 40.9 -1.4 (-0.7) 44.8 -11.0 (-6.8)
Belanger 41.1 -25.3 (-19.8) 32.0 -10.3 (-9.6) 36.6 -19.2 (-15.0)
Concepcion 40.0 -26.4 (-20.9) 29.8 -12.5 (-11.8) 34.9 -20.9 (-16.7)

Despite the high number of inductees, shortstop has a pretty high median – third highest among the position players. Bill Dahlen and Alan Trammell exceed both the HoF median for shortstop and first base. Both should have been in the Hall a long time ago. Joe Glasscock doesn't exceed the (relatively absurd) HoF median for shortstop, but he is just about in line with the median for first base. Nobody else is particularly close, though Jim Fregosi did have quite a peak. Mark Belanger is included as a comp for Dave Concepcion, and Dave Concepcion is included because it's time for everyone to stop talking about him like a huge Hall of Fame snub. Dave Concepcion is the Jack Morris of shortstops.

To the outfield!

Player WAR WAR diff WAR7 WAR7 diff JAWS JAWS diff
Bonds 162.5 +102.5 72.8 +35.0 117.6 +70
Rose 79.4 +9.4 44.8 +7.0 62.1 +14.5
Raines 69.1 +9.1 42.2 +4.4 55.6 +8.0
HoF median LF 60.0 (Wheat) - 37.8 (Stargell) - 47.6 (Medwick) -
Magee 59.1 -0.1 38.5 +0.7 48.8 +1.2
B. Johnson 57.1 -2.9 36.0 -1.8 46.6 -1.0
Cruz 54.3 -5.7 36.2 -1.6 45.3 -2.3
Downing 51.4 -8.6 29.0 -8.8 40.2 -7.4
Minoso 50.2 -9.8 39.9 -2.1 45.0 -2.6

The median for Hall of Fame left fielders is even lower than the median for first basemen. Barry Bonds blows the doors off of the standard, to the surprise of absolutely no one. Barry Bonds won't be elected to the Hall of Fame any time soon, also to the surprise of absolutely no one. Pete Rose is ineligible for induction. Tim Raines clearly belongs in the Hall of Fame; the question is, how long will it take the BBWAA to realize it? If you're a large hall advocate, I suppose it's possible to find room for Sherry Magee. It's possible Minnie Miñoso would have been playing in the major leagues earlier than 1949 (his age-23 season) had racial discrimination not been institutionalized throughout Major League Baseball.

Off to center field we go:

Player WAR WAR diff WAR7 WAR7 diff JAWS JAWS diff
Lofton 68.1 +9.6 43.2 +2.4 55.7 +7.1
Davis, W 60.7 +2.2 38.9 -2.0 49.8 +1.2
HOF median CF 58.5 (Hamilton-Carey) - 40.9 (Dawson-Doby) - 48.6 (Hamilton-Doby) -
Wynn 55.7 -2.8 43.3 +2.4 49.5 +0.9
Lemon 55.3 -3.2 37.0 -3.9 46.2 -2.4
Pinson 54.2 -4.3 40.1 -0.8 47.1 -1.5
Cedeno 52.6 -5.9 41.2 +0.3 46.9 -1.7
Lynn 49.9 -8.6 38.2 -2.7 44.1 -4.5
Butler 49.5 -9.0 35.2 -5.7 42.4 -6.2
B. Williams 49.5 -9.0 37.5 -3.4 43.5 -5.1
White 47.0 -11.5 35.3 -5.6 41.2 -7.4
D. Murphy 46.3 -12.2 41.0 +0.1 43.6 -5.0

Center field has the second-lowest Hall of Fame median, trailing only catcher. This makes Kenny Lofton's one-and-done appearance on the ballot all the more confusing. Go figure - the BBWAA can't even elect a player who vaults over the low standard it has established for center fielders. Willie "3-Dog" Davis might be a marginal Hall of Famer. His WAR just barely clears the median WAR total for a Hall of Fame first baseman, but he's got a little room to spare as a center fielder. Ultimately, I suppose it depends on whether you think 60-61 WAR is an acceptable threshold for the Hall of Fame, or whether you think it should be a tad higher. Nobody else gets quite close enough, though Jimmy "Toy Cannon" Wynn had a Hall of Fame-worth peak. If you want to give him a little extra credit for playing in the late-Sixties, early-Seventies Astrodome during his peak years, he could be borderline.

Next, right field - our last stop for position players:

Player WAR WAR diff WAR7 WAR7 diff JAWS JAWS diff
Walker 72.6 +6.1 44.6 +4.1 58.6 +5.6
Dw. Evans 66.7 +0.2 37.0 -3.5 51.8 -1.2
HoF median RF 66.5 (Gwynn-Winfield) - 40.5 (Gwynn-Crawford) - 53.0 (Gwynn-Winfield) -
R. Smith 64.4 -2.1 38.5 -2.0 51.4 -1.6
S.J. Jackson 62.4 -4.1 52.8 +12.3 57.6 +4.6
Sosa 58.4 -8.1 43.7 +3.2 51.1 -1.9
Bonds 57.6 -8.9 40.9 +0.4 49.3 -3.7
J. Clark 52.9 -13.6 31.3 -9.2 42.1 -10.9
Staub 45.8 -20.7 33.2 -7.3 39.5 -13.5
Oliva 43.1 -23.4 38.6 -1.9 40.8 -12.2
F. Alou 42.1 -24.4 33.8 -6.7 38.0 -15.0
Strawberry 42.0 -24.5 34.7 -5.8 38.4 -14.6
Parker 40.0 -26.5 37.3 -3.2 38.6 -14.4

Right field has the second-highest HoF median, which makes a ton of sense when you think about who played there. Right field has more players (5) who produced 100+ rWAR than any other position: Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial, Mel Ott, and Frank Robinson. Two more players, Roberto Clemente and Al Kaline, have 90+ rWAR.

Time for a brief digression, though I promise it will be relevant. Tony Gwynn is essentially the median HoF right fielder. By rWAR Larry Walker was about one MVP-caliber season better than Tony Gwynn over their careers. When people discuss Walker's candidacy, they almost always focus on "the Coors Effect." This strikes me as terribly silly for several reasons. Reason #1: Major League Baseball decided it wanted a team in Denver. Somebody had to play there. The statistics players generate in Coors are every bit as valid as those put up in the Astrodome. Two extremes, but also two legitimate major league venues. Sometimes when people talk about Coors Field in the 1990s, there's a small implication that the stats of anyone who played for the Rockies then aren't really valid. If that's the case, we should probably reexamine players who played in several other ballparks from baseball's past, too. Reason #2: Larry Walker played in Montreal the first five seasons of his career. During those seasons, 1990-1994, Olympic Stadium's park factor for batting was 100, exactly average. During those seasons, at ages 23-27, Walker's average OPS+ was 130. During his age-38 season and after all his injury problems, Walker posted a 130 OPS+ as a Cardinal. Old Busch Stadium's park factor that year (2005) was 101. Reason #3: Larry Walker was terribly injury-prone. He exceeded 143 games played in a season exactly once - in 1997, when he won the NL MVP after he hit .366/.452/.720 and generated 9.8 rWAR. Jay Jaffe observed something incredible in his post considering Walker's candidacy:

Walker spent 17 seasons in the major leagues but missed so much time due to injuries (and of course, the 1994-95 strike) that 23 other players took more plate appearances during the years spanning his career, even after excluding his 56 plate appearance pre-rookie season of 1989. The median players from that group, Gary Sheffield and Marquis Grissom (another fine product of the Montreal system) had 11 percent more plate appearances from 1990-2005.

Larry Walker missed a ton of baseball during his career, but when he played, he really played.

Back to the rest of right field. Dwight Evans is essentially right at the median for a Hall of Fame right fielder. It's pathetic that Jim Rice is in the Hall and his teammate Evans isn't. Good job, BBWAA. There's a case for Reggie Smith, particularly if you're a large hall  advocate, and Shoeless Joe Jackson would be in the HoF were he eligible for induction. Beyond that, nobody gets particularly close. Bobby Bonds had a Hall-worthy peak, but falls short on cumulative value. Tony Oliva is an even more extreme version of that scenario - his career rWAR total essentially all one beautiful, brilliant, HoF-worthy peak. There's just not enough to supplement it.

Hoo, boy. On to starting pitchers:

Player WAR WAR diff WAR7 WAR7 diff JAWS JAWS diff
Clemens 140.3 +73.1 66.3 +16.4 103.3 +45.8
Maddux 106.8 +39.6 56.3 +6.4 81.6 +24.1
Mussina 83.0 +15.8 44.5 -5.4 63.8 +6.3
Glavine 81.4 +14.2 44.3 -5.6 62.9 +5.4
Schilling 79.9 +12.7 49.0 -0.9 64.4 +6.9
Reuschel 70.0 +2.8 43.8 -6.1 57.0 -0.5
K. Brown 68.3 +1.1 45.4 -4.5 56.9 -0.6
HoF median SP 67.2 (Drysdale) - 49.9 (Coveleski) - 57.5 (Marichal) -
Tiant 66.7 -0.5 44.6 -5.3 55.7 -1.8
Cone 62.5 -4.7 43.5 -6.4 53.0 -4.5
John 62.0 -5.2 34.7 -15.2 48.3 -9.2
Ferrell 61.6 -5.6 54.9 +5.0 58.3 +0.8
Saberhagen 59.2 -8.0 43.3 -6.6 51.3 -6.2
Shocker 58.7 -8.4 45.0 -4.9 51.8 -5.7
C. Finley 58.4 -8.8 39.8 -10.1 49.1 -8.4
Quinn 58.1 -9.1 33.2 -16.7 45.6 -11.9
Cicotte 58.0 -9.2 44.0 -5.9 51.0 -6.5
Tanana 57.9 -9.3 38.5 -11.4 48.2 -9.3
Steib 57.2 -10.0 44.8 -5.1 51.0 -6.5
Hershiser 56.8 -10.4 40.4 -9.5 48.6 -8.9
Appier 54.9 -12.3 43.3 -6.6 49.1 -8.4
Koosman 53.8 -13.4 36.6 -13.3 45.2 -12.3
Wells 53.6 -13.6 31.4 -18.5 42.5 -15.0
Gooden 53.2 -14.0 39.1 -10.8 46.1 -11.4
Kaat 51.4 -15.8 38.4 -11.5 44.9 -12.6
Rogers 51.4 -15.8 35.6 -14.3 43.5 -14.0
Langston 50.7 -16.5 41.8 -8.1 46.2 -11.3
W. Wood 50.2 -17.0 45.8 -4.1 48.0 -9.5
Key 49.6 -17.6 36.9 -13.0 43.2 -14.3
D. Martinez 49.3 -17.9 33.5 -16.4 41.4 -16.1
Guidry 48.1 -19.1 38.1 -11.8 43.1 -14.4
Viola 47.4 -19.8 41.4 -8.5 44.4 -13.1
Radke 45.5 -21.7 36.3 -13.6 40.9 -16.6
Morris 44.1 -23.1 32.8 -17.1 38.4 -19.1

Wow. Seven starting pitchers currently outside the Hall of Fame are above the HoF median for starters. Of the seven, the one who strikes me as really worth discussing at this point is Rick Reuschel. Everybody else is either a slam dunk, should be a slam dunk, or has PED issues. Reuschel fell off the ballot in 1997 - his first year of eligibility - after receiving only 0.4% of the BBWAA's vote. Orel Hershiser, who put together a pretty nice career despite losing a year in his prime to a torn rotator cuff, received 11.2% in his first year of eligibility, and he wasn't anywhere near as good as Reuschel. Let's not be outraged that Greg Maddux isn't unanimously inducted, though that does point out the absurdity of the BBWAA quite well. Instead, let's be outraged that Rick Reuschel was essentially dismissed out of hand despite being a better pitcher than Don Drysdale, and will have to wait around until some enlightened future Veterans Committee gives him the nod. If he's even that lucky. Luis Tiant is pretty close to the HoF median for starters and should probably be in the Hall already. Everybody after him on the list makes for a pretty good Hall of the Very Good. Frank Viola and Brad Radke are on the list for comparative value with the last pitcher listed. Naturally, Jack Morris is the Jack Morris of starting pitchers.

Bring out that bullpen cart - I'm just about gassed:

Player WAR WAR diff WAR7 WAR7 diff JAWS JAWS diff
HoF median RP 42.0 (Gossage) - 26.9 (Wilhelm) - 37.0 (Gossage) -
Shantz 34.8 -7.2 25.1 -1.8 29.9 -7.1
Hiller 30.9 -11.1 26.9 0.0 28.9 -8.1
Swindell 30.9 -11.1 25.6 -1.3 26.7 -10.3
Marberry 30.8 -11.2 26.0 -0.9 28.4 -8.6
L. Smith 29.6 -12.4 21.1 -5.8 25.4 -11.6
Kinder 28.9 -13.1 24.5 -2.4 26.7 -10.3
McDaniel 28.1 -13.9 23.3 -3.6 25.7 -11.3
Tekulve 26.3 -15.7 19.8 -7.1 23.0 -14.0
Quisenberry 25.4 -16.6 23.1 -3.8 24.2 -12.8
Franco 24.2 -17.8 23.6 -3.3 19.9 -17.1
Orosco 23.9 -18.1 17.9 -9.0 20.9 -16.1
Aguilera 22.4 -19.6 15.9 -11.0 19.1 -17.9

Unsurprisingly, there are no relief pitchers outside the Hall of Fame who are above the HoF median for relievers. Let's keep it that way. This chart should probably put to bed the Quisenberry-for-HoF crowd. Something possibly worth considering, however, are the careers of pre-modern relievers. One can't exactly call them early influences in the way the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has for inductees like Hank Williams, Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, and Louis Armstrong, but they are a breed apart from anything we've seen since the early 1980s. Bobby Shantz, John Hiller, Firpo Marberry, Ellis Kinder, and Lindy McDaniel all have higher rWAR and JAWS totals than Rollie Fingers and Bruce Sutter. Greg Swindell is the most puzzling pitcher on this list, however. Swindell has 334 fewer saves than Rollie Fingers and 293 fewer than Bruce Sutter. Swindell compiled 6.3 more rWAR than Sutter and 4.8 more than Fingers. Swindell also pitched a heck of a lot more innings - 534 more than Fingers, and 1,191 more than Sutter. I'm not arguing that Swindell belongs in the Hall of Fame. But his career does suggest some challenges to how we think about relievers and the Hall of Fame.

Well, that's it. If you've read this far, I thank you. If you skimmed through for things that interested you, I still thank you. Since I've taken up so much space here in the main post, I'll post my own ballot from Graham Womack's poll in a comment below.

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  1. Regarding my ballot: For the most part, my voting process involves looking at a player's WAR, WAR7, and JAWS, then ranking them – first at their position, then in an overall matrix. When players are close, I tend to give up-the-middle players more credit, as well as those who played positions currently underrepresented in the Hall. This means starting pitchers, first basemen, and corner outfielders have a slightly harder row to hoe, particularly since the WAR averages for HoFers at those positions are lower than at others. The players in bold are those I indicated should be in the HoF.

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    1. I'm a fan of using positive Wins Above Average. The idea is to total all the seasons a player had a positive WAA and then use that. The reason to only count the positive seasons is to prevent a player from hurting their 'score' by playing too long. Instead the bar is moved a bit higher to help level out the compiler v peak players.

    2. I know WAR was sort of created to compare players across positions, but I don't especially like comparing career total WAR across positions. You seem to essentially be adjusting for it by weighting some positions more heavily than others, but especially for catchers, it's just that much harder to have a long, productive career due to the nature of the position.

      And I don't think there should be N players per position for each era, but I do think in the long run it'd be ideal to have a Hall that was pretty evenly distributed position by position.

  2. Great stuff, CH.

    I disagree a bit on relievers. Like kickers and punters in the NFL, they are specialists who get no love from the Establishment. It's not Bruce Sutter's fault that relievers don't throw Mike Marshall innings any more. We need a way to be fair to them and their role.

    Also, john hiller was awesome. How many other players came back from heart attacks to be stars?

    1. I think Joe Poz said yesterday, and I agree, that most relievers are failed starters, and that Randy Johnson may have been the best closer of all-time had he gone that route. If all of the best starters had been closers instead, would the bar be set even higher? I think players who can't cut it at more premium positions do need a higher bar. I think Edgar meets that requirement, as does Hoffman, Eckersley. But I'm fine with fewer being in.

      1. I'm not sure it's still true that most closers are failed starters. It was true once, but a lot of times these days guys are put in the bullpen because that's where their team thinks they can best be utilized, not because they couldn't have been effective starters.

        Also, it seems to me that a lot of people started as shortstops or centerfielders and then switched to other positions. Should we refer to them as "failed shortstops" or "failed centerfielders" or should we appreciate the contribution they actually made?

        1. a lot of people started as shortstops or centerfielders

          And at some point in their early careers, almost all NFL skill position players were quarterbacks and I would guess that most NBA players were probably point guards.

          There's definitely a shift that most athletes have to make as the level of competition increases and their true skill level and talents are compared to the other elite athletes in their sports. This seems to be magnified in baseball, where there's more positions with more clearly defined roles and a minor-league system that is designed to separate out the various levels of ability.

          1. I would guess that most NBA players were probably point guards.

            Inside every big man is a little man trying to get out to show off.

      2. "failed starters," or best marginal use? A guy with one great pitch can be very valuable in short stints but maybe not succeed as a starter, compared to a guy with 3-4 decent pitches. Also, empirically, I'm not sure of the validity of that criticism any more. Also also, lots of MLBers were "failed" at one position and moved to another in order to make it in the Majors. Should we demand a higher standard for 1Bs because so many were failed 3bs/OFers?

        1. Okay, point taken by all of you. I even considered that all major leagues probably played shortstop in Little League and had to move. But I do think moving from short to first is different than moving from starter (200+ innings a season) to closer (about 75 innings). I think it's more comparable from moving from starting infielder to utility player/pinch-hitter.

          I went to B-R and did a search for best OPS by players who were pinch-hitters in at least 25% of their games played (i.e. they didn't start). Second on that list is Matt Stairs. He played for 20 years with an OPS of .832. His OPS as a pinch-hitter/substitute was .829 in over 500 at-bats. That's a pretty valuable guy to have.

          Not saying Matt Stairs is comparable to Lee Smith but I think it's worth thinking about.

          1. I once wrote a fiction here or at the old site where Matt Stairs came back to DH for the Twins (and the 6 of the 7 other teams* he'd never played for) and brought the Twins a World Series and clinched his place in the HOF.

            *Yeah, like he'd shave for the Yankees.

      3. I tend to agree with this position, though I believe it more strongly for the ASG than for the HOF (there are way too many relief pitchers on the All-Star teams for my taste). I think there should absolutely be relief pitchers and DH's in the HOF, but not nearly as many relief pitchers as starting pitchers, and not as many DH's as catchers.

        For relievers, I think the bar should be lower than Mariano Rivera, but I'm not sure exactly how much lower it goes. Is Gossage a reasonable bar for entry? It's probably too high (from a WAR/JAWS perspective) given that modern relievers just don't throw as many innings per appearance. Then again, Rivera smokes Gossage in 2/3rds the innings pitched. Trevor Hoffman kinda seems like a good candidate to me, but then you have a lot of JAWS scores in that vicinity--Sutter, Nathan, Quisenberry, Wagner, Fassero, Escobar. All just a bit higher than Rollie Fingers.

        1. I think there should absolutely be relief pitchers and DH's in the HOF, but not nearly as many relief pitchers as starting pitchers, and not as many DH's as catchers.

          I can get behind this.

    2. Doc, I don't disagree with your relievers-as-kickers/punters specialist analogy. I'm just not sure that we've figured out how to identify the best bullpen specialists yet. I'm not even sure whether I think peak should be more heavily weighted for relievers, or whether longevity combined with steady compilation is more impressive.

      Taking the specialist idea a step further, I wonder if it's time for utility players to be considered as specialists eligible for induction. A reasonable definition of "utility" would need to be developed - say 2500+ innings played at three or more positions, at least two of which were in the infield, and no more than 50% of the total career innings at any one position? Or a certain number of seasons with 175+ innings played at three or more positions, at least two of which were in the infield? And something like 40-45 career rWAR minimum? I'm thinking of guys similar to Tony Phillips. I don't know how many players that actually describes - maybe someone with full B-Ref Play Index access can tell us.

            1. Clearly that means everyone in the company then paid to see Nick Punto play (whether they went or not), so that significantly increases his number of Hall votes. Really, he's a lock at this point.

  3. This is fantastic. It should be posted on the WGOM twitter feed for all of us to share.

    In regard to the relievers, you bring up Swindell. He started out as a starter and accumulated 16 WAR before transitioning to reliever about the Twins he got the to the Twins. Aggie also saw time as a starter. Projecting out, it will be interesting to see what kind of vote Trevor Hoffman gets in two years. Has the 600 save, but only 28 WAR but also contributed to the game by having one of the best changeups (I think misc things like that should count a little. (Bert's world class curveball for example) Perhaps thats a debate for another day.

    Lou Whitaker appeared on 1 ballot (2001) and only got 15 votes (2.9%). The pitcher Dave Stewart got 38 votes (7.4%). Wow.

    1. This is fantastic. It should be posted on the WGOM twitter feed for all of us to share.

      Done. Note that any author can send tweets.

  4. I didn't realize Radke bested Morris in rWAR, rWAR7, and JAWS. He got two votes in 2012.

    When people discuss Walker's candidacy, they almost always focus on "the Coors Effect." This strikes me as terribly silly for several reasons.

    Let me add reason #4: park adjusted stats.

  5. CH - this was awesome. Despite a love of baseball, I've never paid enough attention to the HoF, who's in it, who 'should' be, the voting process or anything else. The past few years, I've been reading more and more, but still haven't developed enough knowledge or formed strong opinions to discuss individual merits. This (and sean's posts the past few days) make for great primers. Thanks for the effort!

    1. Thanks! It was actually a ton of fun writing this, with the possible exception of hand-jamming all the data from Baseball Reference into spreadsheets. I really hope I didn't make any embarrassing transcription errors.

      1. Might have been able to export it to CSV and load that. Unfortunately, you might have had to do that for each player individually.

        1. What I'm getting from your comment, sean, is that there's no easy way to do this. That's actually a bit of a relief.

  6. UPDATE: New tables of the HoF medians for first basemen and starting pitcher, reflecting the election of Frank Thomas, Greg Maddux, and Tom Glavine.

    First basemen:

    rWAR: 61.4 (Jake Beckley)
    WAR7: 41.8 (Cap Anson)
    JAWS: 52.6 (Hank Greenberg)

    Starting pitchers:

    rWAR: 67.5 (Carl Hubbell)
    WAR7: 50.7 (Bert Blyleven)
    JAWS: 57.8 (Hal Newhouser)

    1. You lost the HTML. For this, using the [sr] feature would be sufficient for all the rows except the median.

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