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WGOM Half-Baked Hall: 1999

In true half-baked fashion, I'm reviving the Half-Baked Hall and completely changing most of the format. I'm sad that it halted, and I just didn't have the energy to keep it going the way it was, and it appeared most of you didn't either. Hats off to NBB who posted a bio for George Kell 18 months ago, the last time this project was going. Coincidentally I'm sure, NBB posted his bio for Kell just a couple weeks before my daughter was born.

To recap, we have held votes for every year from the beginning of baseball through 1956. We finally broke the color barrier, electing Jackie Robinson. Lou Boudreau and Ralph Kiner each landed two-thirds of the vote, joining a bunch of players who are thus far on the outside looking in. We may relitigate some of these older players later, but for now I want to focus on the players that at least some of us watched play.

So now, the new format:

  • One year at a time, chosen by random.org
  • All players with 40 career WAR will be on the ballot, along with some others
  • There will still be time for discussion.
  • No more stats spreadsheet. You all know how to use baseball-reference.
  • Votes will no longer be via a Google form. I'll just post a poll on the site. As thus we won't have public ballots anymore.
  • Votes will now be just Yes or No.
  • 75% needed for election
  • Only one vote per ballot. Players who garner at least 40% of the vote will be tucked away for a later debate. If I recall, when each player got six ballots, we never had a player elected who didn't at least start with 40% of the vote.

Who belongs in the Half-Baked Hall?

  • Wade Boggs (78%, 14 Votes)
  • Jim Abbott (11%, 2 Votes)
  • Darryl Strawberry (11%, 2 Votes)
  • Chili Davis (0%, 0 Votes)
  • Willie McGee (0%, 0 Votes)
  • Tony Phillips (0%, 0 Votes)
  • None of them! (0%, 0 Votes)

Total Voters: 14

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On Mental Illness

Zee German raised a few excellent questions that I thought deserved an entire post.

Do conscientious commentors need to distinguish violent desires from mental illness when we consider the issue? Is it a mental illness, specifically, to be drawn to violence? Or driven to violence? I know you can diagnose anything that deviates sufficiently from the norm as a condition of some sort, but asking from ignorance, is that necessarily the same thing as mental illness?

Before I answer them, though, I think a bit of primer on mental illness is in order. As I already stated, every single one of us experiences mental health symptoms with various levels of frequency and duration, and what makes them diagnosable is whether or not they significantly impact functioning (not whether or not they deviate form the norm). That can be anywhere from impacting your ability to take care of one's physical health, to isolating from friends, to being unable to work or learn new things. That said, here's a very basic outline of the major illnesses that are diagnosed and/or get talked about and some of their symptoms:

  1. Major Depressive Disorder: sad mood, feeling hopeless, worthless, sleep changes, diet changes.
  2. Bipolar Disorder: Depression plus periods of mania, which is elevated mood, decreased need for sleep, high energy, pressured or rapid speech, impulsive behavior. Bradley Cooper's portrayal of this disorder in Silver Linings Playbook is excellent.
  3. Schizophrenia: Restricted range of emotions, or incongruent emotions. Reduction in speech. Paranoid thoughts. Hallucinations. Delusions.
  4. Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder: Experiencing a traumatic event plus deficits in functioning directly related to that event. Very simply, could be not being able to sleep or focus, obsessing about the event, having flashbacks (i.e. literally being there again), hypervigilance.
  5. Borderline Personality Disorder: Persistent fear of abandonment that drives most relationships. Often think in extremes or absolutes. Act impulsively.
  6. Antisocial Personality Disorder (nee sociopathy, nee psychopathy): Lacking empathy, frequently deceiving others for personal gain, aggression towards others, lack of remorse

So let's answer the questions:

Is it a mental illness, specifically, to be drawn to violence? Or driven to violence? I know you can diagnose anything that deviates sufficiently from the norm as a condition of some sort, but asking from ignorance, is that necessarily the same thing as mental illness?

There are two ways to answer this.

If we clarify violence as any act that hurts another, then the answer to these questions is categorically no. I enjoy violent video games and movies. I've punched somebody before when a diplomatic solution was smarter. I've also had periods of extreme duress and exhaustion when I wanted to hurt my baby (disclaimer: I haven't, though once I jerked my toddler's arm too hard; still feel guilty). So I've been violent and I've fantasized about being violent. But this hasn't impacted my functioning in daily life nor has it caused me much trouble. So lumping it in with the above mental illnesses wouldn't make any sense.

On the other hand, if we take Zee's questions to be about a specific kind of violence that is premeditated, where the perpetrator takes pleasure and doesn't feel remorse for their violent behavior, then the answer to the question is yes and it's likely such a person could be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder.

Do conscientious commentors need to distinguish violent desires from mental illness when we consider the issue?

All of this brings me to my answer to this question, which is a resounding YES.  One of the problems with the discussion of mental illness in this country is that there is a misconception that raising more money for mental illness treatment will prevent this kind of violence. But experience has taught me that it will not. At least not directly.

Disorders like schizophrenia are deeply rooted in genetic luck and people who have it need significant amounts of resources to be successful in the community.  Schizophrenia needs more money.

Depression and PTSD are a combination of genetics and environment (e.g. some people can experience the same trauma and their brains experience it differently) and extra resources can help people who have these disorders be successful in the community.

However, there really is no great treatment for antisocial behavior (though animal therapy has shown some success for those displaying antisocial traits while still young). Most people who lack empathy and remorse don't seek treatment, or if they do it's for something else like anxiety. There's no pill that can create empathy. I work with a guy who is textbook antisocial; he is racist, xenophobic, sexist.  And he wants help with getting money and housing, but has never shown remorse for anything he's done, including sexual assaulting many women. There are resources out there to get him housing. But he's been kicked out of everywhere he's ever been, including all of the shelters, because of his behavior.

So while the DSM-V considers both Carrie Fisher and Jeffrey Dahmer mentally ill, their experiences and needs as humans in society couldn't possibly be more different. Honestly, I wish antisocial behavior wasn't even considered a mental illness. It's the only disorder where being violent towards others is one of the symptoms. And given how many people still believe that those with schizophrenia are prone to violence, I think choosing to use language that makes the distinction clear can only be helpful to those who are unfairly stigmatized every day of their lives.

There is some evidence that antisocial traits have genetic component, and can also be caused by head-trauma or other neurological disorders. Though of all the people I've worked with that have the disorder, they consistently have traumatic childhoods filled with abuse and neglect. Some people who are abused and neglected wind up with no mental illness. Some develop other mental illnesses. And some who may be genetically predisposed to antisocial traits have it nourished by abuse and neglect. While I'm not against research that could possibly identify gene therapy that could help, I would much rather focus on building a society that is inclusive and supportive of all people. Where we understand that nobody is born evil and that everyone deserves compassion, because every action someone takes is trying to fit a need they have in that moment. Because while even in that society we will still need to help people who are sad or are hallucinating or have an exaggerated startle response to sudden noises, I suspect that the need to figure out how to keep people from brutally murdering others will not be a big priority.

 

 

 

Half-Baked Hall: 1957-1963 Ballot

We're now entering the part of the ballot that gets perhaps somewhat trickier, as a lot of the players lost time due to being in the Negro Leagues, being at war, or both. So when you look at Ted Williams and debating whether or not he qualifies, remember he lost five years to war.

We've also got our first Negro League only player on a ballot. Dread Pirate will do the honors this time.

Negro Leaguer

Buck Leonard (DPWY)

Final Ballot

Nobody

Returning Players

Lou Boudreau (2nd), Ralph Kiner (2nd), Ted Lyons, Joe Gordon (3rd), Wes Ferrell (5th), Joe Medwick (3rd), Red Ruffing (3rd), Dizzy Dean (3rd), Ernie Lombardi (3rd), Lefty Gomez (3rd), Bobby Doerr (2nd)

New Hitters

George Kell (New Britain Bo)
Roy Campanella (yickit)
Pee Wee Reese (nibbish)
Enos Slaughter (freealonzo)
Larry Doby (yickit)
Ted Williams (freealonzo)
Al Dark (canofcorn)
Gil McDougald (nibbish)
Richie Ashburn (Scot)
Stan Musial (New Britain Bo)
Gil Hodges (DPWY)
Red Schoendienst (bhiggum)

New Pitchers

Dizzy Trout (Beau)
Bob Lemon (Beau)
Virgil Trucks (canofcorn)
Murry Dickson (philosofer)
Don Newcombe (bhiggum)
Ned Garver (philosofer)
Early Wynn (Scot)

Stats

Half-Baked Hall: 1956 Results

Now that Jackie Robinson has been elected, I wanted to check in with you guys on your interest in considering Negro League players. If people were interested they could volunteer to do a write-up on a player (that they would want to vote for) and they could be added to the ballot.  Either a special Negro League ballot or we could just add them sporadically as we go along.

Are you interested in voting on Negro League Players?

  • Yes (83%, 5 Votes)
  • No (17%, 1 Votes)

Total Voters: 6

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Are you interested in doing a write up on a Negro League Player?

  • Yes (67%, 4 Votes)
  • No (33%, 2 Votes)

Total Voters: 6

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It's been pretty white up in here until now. Not only did Jackie Robinson do good, he is our only unanimous inductee for this ballot.

Dimaggio skates in with 94% of the vote. Hey, he wasn't Ted Williams.

Steak, brown rice, black beans, guacamole, cheese, hot salsa, and 94% of the vote.

With 83% of the vote, I would say that's game, set, match.

The electorate was clearly on the side of clearly very talented. At least 83% of us were.

Is that Joseph Gordon-Levitt with 83% of the vote? Anyway, Gabby gets in on his fourth ballot.

Below you'll find plaques for those votes in last time. Thanks hungry joe!

     

Staying On The Ballot

Boudreau and Kiner have nice debuts which will likely get them elected.  Joe Gordon makes the biggest leap, crossing that coveted 50% line. Nearly everyone else drops.

Lou Boudreau (67%)
Ralph Kiner (67%)
Ted Lyons (67%) +2
Joe Gordon (56%) +11
Wes Ferrell (44%) -6
Joe Medwick (44%) -11
Red Ruffing (44%) -6
Dizzy Dean (39%) -11
Ernie Lombardi (39%) -1
Lefty Gomez (33%) -12
Bobby Doerr (28%)

Falling off the Ballot

Bill Terry came close at times and made his final ballot push but just didn't impress enough of us to get in. Meanwhile Bob Johnson who I have a soft spot for sputtered out, as did Stan Hack.

The legendary Phil Rizzuto did not impress and is promptly booted before anyone even had a chance to do a write-up on him.

Bill Terry (61%) +11
Bob Johnson (33%) -7
Stan Hack (22%) -13
Dutch Leonard (17%)
Charlie Keller (11%)
Bobo Newsom (11%)
Phil Rizzuto (11%)
Bob Elliott (6%)
Eddie Stanky (6%)
Harry Brecheen (0%)
Bill Nichsolon (0%)
Vern Stephens (0%)

Votes

Graphs

Half-Baked Hall: 1951-1956

So you may have heard recently about this guy in the news named Jackie Robinson. As it turns out, he was a pretty decent player and shows up on this ballot. And philosofer was randomly assigned to finding something to write about the guy. Good luck, dude.

Also, last chance to vote for...

Final Ballot

Bill Terry

Returning Players

Wes Ferrell (4th), Gabby Hartnett (4th), Bob Johnson (3rd), Ted Lyons (2nd), Joe Medwick (2nd), Dizzy Dean (2nd), Red Ruffing (2nd), Joe Gordon (2nd), Ernie Lombardi (2nd), Lefty Gomez (2nd), Stan Hack (2nd)

New Hitters

Lou Boudreau (Beau)
Joe Dimaggio (daneekasghost)
Bobby Doerr (CanofCorn)
Bob Elliott (DPWY)
Charlie Keller (CanofCorn)
Ralph Kiner (freealonzo)
Johnny Mize (yickit)
Bill Nicholson (nibbish)
Phil Rizzuto (yickit)
Jackie Robinson (philosofer)
Eddie Stanky (daneekasghost)
Vern Stephens (Beau)

New Pitchers

Harry Breechen (Scot)
Bob Feller (freealonzo)
Dutch Leonard (nibbish)
Hal Newhouser (bhiggum)
Bobo Newsom (New Britain Bo)

Stats